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Egypt’s military suspends constitution, installs top judge as temporary president

Jul 3, 2013, 03:23 pm CDT

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Well, Morsi sure didn’t last long.  So much for the Arab Spring.

By Yankee on 2013 07 03, 3:59 pm CDT

On the contrary, it’s proof the Arab Spring continues.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 04, 12:48 am CDT

@Apparently, you neither understand the Arab Spring-thingy nor did you read the story very carefully.

This was a military coup.  Morsi won a popular election a year ago.

By Yankee on 2013 07 04, 6:24 am CDT

@2 According to news reports, the Obama Administration was working behind the scenes to save Morsi:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/03/despite-obama-administration-s-entreaties-egyptian-military-deposes-morsi.html

This represents yet another Fail for Barack

By Yankee on 2013 07 04, 7:59 am CDT

The very issues that caused Morsi’s downfall, are present here in the US. I find the contract in how each country’s citizens deal with these issues, as fascinating. What does it say about them, what does it say about us?

By Celine on 2013 07 04, 10:17 am CDT

We were for Morsi before we were against him. Why in the nine hells we wanted to support a fundamentalist Islamist is beyond me though. And yes this was a continuation of the Arab Spring. The military stepped in because a large majority of the population was opposed to Morsi and his Islamicist ways. The military intervention may well have saved many lives.

By Fred on 2013 07 04, 3:29 pm CDT

I understand that our President is still in support of Morsi. As our country experienced over 237 years ago, the path to democracy and freedom from tyranny is not an easy one. Many people have given their lives for what we are so casually throwing away in the US right now. Perhaps Egypt will see their way back to a democracy and hold on to it longer this time, and longer than we have managed to do.

By Celine on 2013 07 04, 3:41 pm CDT

Of course, there is ample precedent in tradition.  Even the Israelites were ruled over by religious judges before they had kings.  It is fair to say that God actually tried to talk them out of the notion of kings, but ultimately, he gave into their insistence that they be allowed to emulate other cultures that had monarchic systems (after warning them of the probable consequences).

For its own part, Egypt has a long and unique history of pharonic tradition and also substantial subsequent Greek and Roman influences, suggesting preference for strong rulers, but also a cultural value that the society is one of tradition and law more than simply one of men.  The selection of a prominent judge as ruler seems to be a reaffirmation of respect for the rule of law and tradition, rather than mere, random expression of an unfocused revolutionary spirit.  In any event, their country, and so their business (not ours).

By B. McLeod on 2013 07 04, 5:24 pm CDT

@3 Quite to the contrary, it is clearly you that neither understands the Arab Spring-thingy nor did you read the story very carefully.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 05, 11:52 pm CDT

Only in your America-hating dreams.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 06, 12:06 am CDT

@4 (Just to clarify)

Only in your America-hating dreams.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 06, 12:07 am CDT

Morsi’s problem is that he failed to understand that democracy hinges on the “consent of the governed.” The Arab Spring lives on.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 06, 12:09 am CDT

“The Cursed Morsi.”  I’ve heard about him.

By B. McLeod on 2013 07 06, 12:19 am CDT

Morsi’s government was not respectful of minority rights or the rule of law.  The situation of Christians in Eygpt is in a state of decline.

By Yankee on 2013 07 06, 6:49 pm CDT

Posters like Yankee seem to completely ignore the simple fact that democracy is not won or lost at the ballot box.

By america the beautiful on 2013 07 06, 6:49 pm CDT

. . . but at the bullet box.

The situation of Christians everywhere is in a state of decline.

By B. McLeod on 2013 07 06, 6:56 pm CDT

@16

If only as a result of their own actions and lack of actual adherence to the alleged teachings of Jesus.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 07, 2:02 am CDT

@17 I get it now: The Coptic Christians in Egypt who are routinely killed; the young Coptic girl who kidnapped or raped; the Coptic women who are forced to wear the hijab; the Coptic parishioners who watch helplessly as their churches are burned, all had it coming.

By Yankee on 2013 07 07, 8:01 am CDT

Still, given how tough people have had it in that neck of the woods, it is surprising that the Egyptians would ever let a Sissi overthrow their government.

By NoleLaw on 2013 07 08, 7:29 am CDT

@18

Nope, you still don’t get it and based on experience, it’s clear you never will. Run along now, the adults are talking.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 08, 10:20 am CDT

It is amazing how this story has developed since it first broke just last week.

The Obama Administration, who was all-in on the Islamic theocracy in Egypt when it first came to power just a year ago, is now sending mixed signals regarding the regime that just came into power.

Obviously, members the Obama Administration now understand (a bit too late) that the Egyptian military was the most effective and stable institution in Egypt to maintain order and protects the rights and interests of all interests in the country.

The Obama Administration’s stunning incompetence (magnified by a haunting hubris) has made the Middle east more dangerous than it has been and the United States the laughing stock of the world.

By Yankee on 2013 07 08, 4:07 pm CDT

@21

To be fair, I’m pretty sure American Incompetence and Hubris making the Middle East more dangerous has been a problem for American presidents for the last 50 years (at least).

By OKBankLaw on 2013 07 08, 4:55 pm CDT

@22 Can I take your comment as agreement of my assessment of the Obama Administration’s foreign policy in the Middle East?

By Yankee on 2013 07 08, 5:02 pm CDT

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By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 09, 1:47 am CDT

@23

No, because your assessment is limited to only the last four years and aimed at a single political group.  To borrow a math analogy, all squares are four sided polyhedrons, but not all four sided polyhedrons are squares.

By OKBankLaw on 2013 07 09, 7:57 am CDT

@25 Your response does not surprise me, since Obama’s supporters refuse to hold Obama accountable for his policy failures.

By Yankee on 2013 07 09, 9:01 am CDT

@26 - Obama has plenty of faults, and has made plenty of missteps. However, he did not elect Morsi, advise Morsi to take any stronghanded measures that would undermine Egypt’s steps toward democratization, and he certainly did not topple his government. At least, there is no evidence of any of that.

Your posts here surprise no one, because you have long demonstrated that you are incapable of any type of “assessment” of any situation besides frothing at the mouth and cursing our President. Your posts on his topic are disjointed, starting of with the fall of Morsi being a blow for the Arab Spring, to cursing his regime for the persecution of Christians that took place under it. If you’re going to whargarrbl, at least be consistent within the same comment thread.

By NoleLaw on 2013 07 09, 9:20 am CDT

@27 “Your posts on his (sic) topic are disjointed . . .”

However, my posts are not inconsistent, but rather cover different aspects of Morsi’s short-lived Islamic-Nazi regime and Obama’s failed foreign policy.

And if it is any consolation, years ago I was just as hard on the ‘NeoCon’ types who drove foreign policy during the Bush Administration as the ‘Democracy Project’ types who are driving Obama’s fool hearty policy in the Middle East

By Yankee on 2013 07 09, 9:50 am CDT

@26

Your response does not surprise me, since foaming-at-the-mouth Obama-haters hold Pres. Obama accountable for all manner of things that have nothing to do with his policies. If a tornado destroys a town, it’s because of Healthcare Reform. If a levy breaks, it’s Obama’s fault.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 09, 10:19 am CDT

@28

The only consistency in your posts is your Obama-hating.

By Doodle Dandy on 2013 07 09, 10:21 am CDT

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By Lee Rawles on 2013 07 09, 10:48 am CDT

America has to stop peddling democracy overseas.  We get too freaked out when (1) it works but the elected leaders are not to our liking, or (2) when it doesn’t work and the military junta that takes over turns out to be better for the country than the elected leader.

To those who think I exaggerate, two words: Germany 1932.

By AndytheLawyer on 2013 07 09, 3:28 pm CDT

@32 - One, you lose (I’m not sure there was an argument going on, but Godwin’s Law). Two, the Weimar Republic in many ways had already moved away from democracy before 1932, as periodically and for quite a while it had been ruled by emergency decree. I don’t know that it is democracy that we have to stop peddling, but it is more of an issue of how we do it and what support do we provide to countries that are taking steps in that direction. The issue with Morsi was not that he was not to our liking, but rather that he was taking many blatant steps to undermine the likelihood of a lasting democracy in Egypt. A military coup obviously doesn’t help much in that arena.

On the other hand, as the past decade or so has shown us, we have quite a bit to work on right here at home. Perhaps we should keep our big fat American yaps closed on the matter for a bit until we regain some credibility.

By NoleLaw on 2013 07 10, 7:35 am CDT

“. . . keep our big, fat American yaps shut . . .”

I support that as an excellent bipartisan foreign policy suggestion, that should apply to Republican and Democrat administrations alike. I personally hold the NeoCons and the Democracy Project-types in equal disdain

By Yankee on 2013 07 10, 8:22 am CDT

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