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‘Hysterias-R-Us legal lemming movement’ attacked; law prof predicts robust legal market

Mar 12, 2014, 11:00 am CDT

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Indeed. Brace up, new grads. You will (possibly) find treasure in heaven!

By B. McLeod on 2014 03 12, 12:25 pm CDT

Would've been nice if the ABA Journal had covered the response to Prof. René Reich-Graefe's wishful speculation and conjecture about the future: http://lawlemmings.tumblr.com/keepcalm

By Law School Lemmings on 2014 03 12, 1:16 pm CDT

Is the distinguished professor willing to post his retirement funds as a guarantee, for his students to draw on if they fail to get attorney jobs at the rate he promises?

By Jeffrey Antonelli on 2014 03 12, 1:53 pm CDT

abajournal gets paid to distribute this pro-law school tripe

By LeftistConservative on 2014 03 12, 1:56 pm CDT

"Graefe faults the ABA Journal for summarizing the Post story 'without any further comment or critical reflection,' resulting in distortion by other sources in a 'journalistic game of telephone.'"

And so the ABA Journal now summarizes Graefe's story without any further comment or critical reflection...

By Concerned Lawyer on 2014 03 12, 2:28 pm CDT

"...if the schools generate graduates that are the same as 2012 levels, when there were 44,495 law grads from ABA-accredited schools."

Well with this unassailable study, law schools have a green light to admit many more students, so I'm not sure how that assumption will hold up.

By NoleLaw on 2014 03 12, 2:39 pm CDT

Also, considering that WNEU School of Law in 2012 ranked at a whopping 188 of 197 ABA accredited law schools in 9-month bar required employment (33%), a lot of the hysteria this prof is hearing might be from his own current and former students.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_New_England_University_School_of_Law

By NoleLaw on 2014 03 12, 2:45 pm CDT

According to a story on the WSJ law blog, legal employment actually shrank by 300 jobs in February. Who knows what it will be like 10-15 years from now, but in the short-term things are not looking any better.

By sullivan2day on 2014 03 12, 3:35 pm CDT

Sounds just like the propaganda promising PhDs that there would be scores of college teaching jobs due to retirements. But instead of hiring those PhDs full time, colleges hire them as adjuncts without benefits. That is where law is headed.

By Anon on 2014 03 12, 4:13 pm CDT

@anon

Good point.

Hey, with all those Boomer tenured professors in liberal arts getting ready to retire, now's a great time for some cagey, savvy 22 year old to get a Ph.D in History. That'll be a sweet gig, fer sure.

By Wine_Country_Dude on 2014 03 12, 4:33 pm CDT

Perhaps Prof. Graefe meant that it is unethical for the legal community to deprive law schools of their "meat" (or veal as McLeod might prefer), as this was in the Georgetown Journal of Legal Ethics. Or that one should wait until about 2027 to attend law school.

Part of WNEU's problem is that it was a somewhat rural law school created in the horse and buggy era when it may have been regionally attractive; now in the auto era, it has to compete with the crowded Boston market (Harvard, BU, BC, etc., with Yale down the street) for both students and jobs for alumni. Suffolk may be having trouble as well.

By William Able on 2014 03 12, 4:34 pm CDT

Interesting that Graefe did not write about the almost guaranteed future closure of Western New England. Unranked schools are sailing into the rocks.

By Sinking Ships on 2014 03 12, 5:14 pm CDT

I'm curious what age Graefe used for "retirement" age. Lawyers like to keep working into their 80s, so many 50-something boomer attorneys will still be holding onto their jobs 25 years from now.

By mmm on 2014 03 12, 5:24 pm CDT

Sounds like Graefe just wanted to get 15 minutes of fame. She should sit down with Western New England's 2010 and 2011 grads who are still stuck doing doc review (or worse) and see how they feel about the situation. Oh, and their debt, which Graefe conveniently ignores, as well as the fact that the oversupply of young lawyers will continue to cause depressed wages.

By DCW on 2014 03 12, 5:25 pm CDT

@LeftistConservative...

"abajournal gets paid to distribute this pro-law school tripe"
So the Post article that painted a dire jobs picture... they printed that out of charity? God bless the internet for making it easier for fools to reveal themselves to the masses.

By The Artist Formerly Known As Bakes on 2014 03 12, 6:18 pm CDT

Graefe's criticism of the ABA Journal's reporting on this issue is completely unfounded. My sense is that the ABA Journal's reporting on this issue has been balanced and highly factual.

By Yankee on 2014 03 12, 7:59 pm CDT

I agree that it's vert over-optimistic to think boomers will (or will even be able to) retire in waves over the next twenty years. Especially with the princely current yields on investments.

By B. McLeod on 2014 03 13, 12:47 am CDT

"Prosperity is just around the corner."--H. Hoover, famous optimist and soothsayer

By Sage on 2014 03 13, 12:55 am CDT

"Western New England law professor...." That pretty much tells me all I need to know.

By BMF on 2014 03 13, 2:57 am CDT

So glad that Graefe can present an objective analysis of the market without letting the obvious bias that comes from earning one's income off the backs of the indebted lemmings who attend law school get in the way...

By Objective Analysis on 2014 03 13, 5:02 am CDT

IMO This guy is the Josef Goebbels of the law school industry.

By Guest on 2014 03 14, 1:45 am CDT

IMO your opinion is incredibly idiotic. Foolish comparison.

By The Artist Formerly Known As Bakes on 2014 03 14, 4:24 am CDT

@21

Per custom on these forums, Nazi comments are not appropriate until at least comment #60 (or #95 for abortion, gun control, or Scalia-related posts), if at all, and must be kept to no longer than 6 words.

By William Able on 2014 03 14, 4:42 am CDT

I thought Graefe's spiel was scuttled off Montevideo.

By B. McLeod on 2014 03 14, 6:08 am CDT

Is it wrong that I stopped reading when I saw that he was a professor at Western New England College of Law??

By AZEsq on 2014 03 14, 4:22 pm CDT

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