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ABA Task Force Hears Alternatives to Law School Accreditation Role #ABAChicago

Posted Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM CST
By Mark Hansen

The ABA should either get out of the federal law school accreditation process altogether or seek a waiver from a Department of Education rule requiring the association to steer clear of the work of its accrediting body, an ABA task force on accreditation was told Wednesday.

Gary Palm, professor emeritus at the University of Chicago Law School, said fewer than 20 of the nation's nearly 200 law schools use the ABA's accrediting process for federal approval of student loans and student assistance.

Those schools could use the regional accrediting bodies instead, Palm said. Then the ABA could operate the accrediting process in any manner it might want without violating federal laws.

Barring that, Palm said, the ABA should apply for a waiver from the federal requirement that the accreditation process be "separate and independent" from the association.

"If the ABA is going to foot the bill, it ought to have total control over the process," he said.

Palm addressed a working session of the Board of Governors Accreditation Task Force, which is studying the structure and operations of the Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar, the ABA's law school accrediting body.

The task force is examining, among other things, the implications of the section's role as the federally recognized accreditor of law schools and its relationship to the ABA. It hopes to draft a report with its recommendations by the end of October, according to task force chair Talbot "Sandy" D'Alemberte.

D'Alemberte said the task force will also look at the relationship between the accrediting function and other services provided by the section and at the section's overall relationship with the Department of Education.

"We want to make sure the ABA and the DOE are both functioning in a constructive relationship with one another," he said.

Hulett "Bucky" Askew, the ABA's consultant on legal education, said if the ABA stopped accrediting law schools for the Department of Education, the department would find somebody else to do it. He also said that due to the change in administrations, there is nobody currently in the education department with the authority to talk to the ABA about the possibility of a waiver.

Task force members discussed the pros and cons of Palm's suggestions but remained noncommittal during the public portion of their meeting. Then they went into executive session, presumably to discuss his proposals further.

The task force also heard Wednesday from president-elect nominee Stephen Zack, who voiced his concerns about the ever-rising costs of a legal education, which he said threatens to turn the law into an elitist profession and further aggravate the existing shortage of legal aid lawyers.

The Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar is also working on a comprehensive review of its law school accreditation standards.

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John T. Baun, J.D., Ph.D.
Jul 31, 2009 9:32 AM CST

I agree with Professor Palm that the ABA should get out of the accreditation business. I would go rather further than that. I believe that the ABA should either get out of the accrediatation busines althogether or join forces with a group of education professionals in order to revamp law schools’ curriculum in order for ABA accrediation.

In too many law schools courses are siloed and not interrelated. Compunding this problem is law professors who are well qualified to be lawyers, but have no background in eductation and have no knowledge of pedagogy or taxonomy that is essential for effective and efficient education.

Legal education is a complex educational dilemma that involves education from a variety of viewpoints. This needs to be integrated in a much more cohesive manner than is currently available. I believe that the ABA can take a leadership role in this process but only with a real and innovative approach to what education in the legal profession entails in light of today’s
global society and educational approaches. Unfortunately this would, in all probablitiy, require major re-design of many law school curriculum and re-training of many tenured professors. Such a process will require significantly more determination than, I believe, is currently available in today’s legal education community.

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gea
Jul 31, 2009 11:25 AM CST

I agree with John Baun, except for the use of the word, dilemma. Legal education should reflect various view points and balancing of resources between individuals and groups of individuals. This is not a dilemma but a continuing challenge as law schools seek to meet present and future requirements of firms/companies and our society’s political, social and enconomic needs. The main problem faced by colleges/universities and law schools is the need to bring costs down to allow students an affordable education. Unfortunately, students and their parents insist on the Hollywood version of school life. People have forgotten that school is about reading dusty books and working slavish hours as an apprentice for a crotchety employer. We have even convinced the Europeans that our model of borrow now/pay later education is the right path. Of course Einstein preferred having his own laboratory and airconditioning in those sweltering summers, but he like many other Europeans shared lab benches with all and sundry, sans airconditioning and fed themselves on dusty books. We are finally waking up that the aristocracy that we formerly eschewed, is alive and well, only that we have sold the plebians, you and I, that democracy and capitalism Can give everyone an aristocratic education. Well, what Einstein knew is that you don’t need new textbooks every year, large dorm rooms, swiming pools and air conditioning to be well-educated! We are spoiled and now we wonder if the our education model is ‘worth’ the insurmountable debt. Law students don’t want academicians or theoreticians as professors, nor do we want practicians, but a blending of both. We want full-time professors who can both dance and cheorgraph.

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Andrej Starkis
Jul 31, 2009 2:57 PM CST

Gea,

And what school did you pick when you had the option to choose the school you describe?

Andy Starkis

P.S.  There is such a school—and has been for some twenty years.  I teach there.

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