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Q&A: Why I Burned My Harvard Diploma

Posted Oct 30, 2008 2:45 PM CST
By Molly McDonough

Earlier this week, we learned about "Jack," a self-described, but otherwise anonymous, 30s-something lawyer in D.C., who is blogging about giving up material excess for a simpler life. Jack agreed to reveal more about his motivations, but not any more about his identity, in the following Q&A:

ABA Journal: Why did you burn your law diploma?

Jack: At some point, I realized that a great deal of my self-worth was tied to being a Harvard law grad. Burning my degree was just a way to continue this process of simplification. I still have fond memories of Harvard. My three years there were the most intellectually stimulating, most meaningful of my entire life. But, ultimately, I want to live my life on my own terms without needing a piece of paper to justify my own worth.

ABA Journal: Was there a trigger to your move to shun excess and pursue a simpler life?

Jack: After years of working 12-hour days, giving up countless weekends and canceling vacations at the last minute, I just had enough. I eventually realized that I was slowly losing my life, one billable hour at a time. In the end, it makes no sense to trade 90 percent of your waking hours for a chance to buy expensive clothes, be seen at fancy restaurants, and indulge in all sorts of excess. More recently, a friend of mine was diagnosed with terminal cancer. There is nothing like being made aware of your own mortality to help you focus on what truly matters: family, love and friendship.

ABA Journal: How far have you come? Are you downsizing, or is this more of an attitude shift?

Jack: I've been taking small, deliberate steps since last year to simplify all aspects of my life. Thus far, I have decluttered my house and have arranged for the sale of most of my furniture. Up next, leaving my job, selling my house and taking some time off to figure out next steps.

ABA Journal: If you've already begun shedding material gains, is there anything you miss?

Jack: Not so far. Embracing voluntary simplicity does not imply that you have to accept abject poverty or that you need to reject all material comforts. Voluntary simplicity encourages you to shed anything that does not have genuine value to you. In my case, I no longer find a need to patronize Citronelle on a weekly basis, or head out to Vegas to spend a couple of thousand dollars every chance I get. I now spend money on things that bring me meaningful joy. And it just so happens that most of these things are so cheap, they are practically free.

ABA Journal: Why did you want to become a lawyer in the first place? What were your expectations coming out of law school?

Jack: The honest answer is that I went to law school because I didn't know what else to do with my life. I had a vague sense that I wanted to work in the public interest field, but I did not know in what capacity. In the end, I was seduced by the prestige of all the law schools that accepted my application and by the opportunity to make a difference. And then the reality of incurring $120,000 of law school debt plus the allure of making a six-figure salary changed everything. By the time I left Harvard, I had already bought my first $1,000 suit.

ABA Journal: Is there a way for you to continue on a legal career path that will satisfy your desire for simplicity?

Jack: I am definitely interested in transitioning into the public interest field. Finding a legal job that satisfies my intellectual curiosity, assuages my moral convictions, and allows me the opportunity to explore my other interests is a priority.

ABA Journal: Why chronicle your transition so publicly in a blog? Is there something cathartic about blogging openly, or does committing yourself in public force you to stay on course?

Jack: I started the blog as a way to keep track of my progress. At first, it was just a matter of outlining all of the things that were not working in my life and figuring out practical ways to resolve them on my own. Early on, I found that interacting with other people who were confronting similar issues was another way to brainstorm and encourage simplification. There is something about anonymity that allows people to drop their guard and be open about the things they want out of life. I have learned that there is great value in sharing yourself with others, even in the shadows of anonymity.

ABA Journal: What have you learned about yourself and what other lawyers are going through in regards to work/life balance issues?

Jack: I have learned that there are other ways to live my life and that I should follow my heart, no matter where it leads me.

I've also learned that there is something seriously wrong with law firm life. I've been blogging for five months now, and I am still surprised by the sheer number of e-mails I receive from other lawyers who are dealing with some of the very same issues I struggle with. I think there is a yearning out there for a way to reconcile the demands of a legal career with other life goals. Many lawyers feel that they have rejected important aspects of themselves in exchange for a life they no longer feel they want to live. They feel trapped because they have to pay a mortgage, student loans, private school tuition, etc. ... but have no idea how to get out.

I think it is important to emphasize that not every lawyer working at a law firm is unhappy. Some of my very best friends have thrived in that environment and are genuinely happy. If you derive genuine, meaningful pleasure from the profession and can overcome all the obstacles that this lifestyle places on your personal life, then you have it made.

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Ellen Barshevsky
Oct 31, 2008 5:10 AM CST

I thought I comented on this already.  ANYWAY, I think this guy is NOT going to last in the PUBLIC sector if he gets work.  He MIGHT last a few years, but I think all the FANCY SCHMANTZY eating places and the traval, and the gambling in LOS VEGAS will make him come back.

My boyfriend says this guy is NOT GRAINOLA material, and I agree.  He is NOT the kind of fellow to give up on the GOOD life, even tho he says that he has ENOUGH of this. 

I told my boyfriend that I have worked VERY hard to be a member of the BAR and will not give up my profession even after we are MARRIED and have children. 

He says that is good because he respects me because I know the LAW and a member of the BAR, duly admitted AND IN GOOD STANDING..

We are NOT going out tonite to the HALOWEEN party because my Boyfriend has a head cold.  I will make him some tea and lemon.

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Dan
Oct 31, 2008 6:13 AM CST

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Sean
Oct 31, 2008 6:34 AM CST

Ellen and Dan,

Your comments show that attorneys, whether we be PI or corporate, are inhumanely cannabilistic of our own. 

I think it’s categorically unfair to judge this guy based on your stereotype of what a corporate lawyer is/thinks.  What I took away from the article was that Jack always considered PI lwayers “real” lawyers, he just wasn’t willing to make certain sacrifices to follow that career path. 

Jack’s simplification is a matter of removing those things from his life that get in the way of practicing law the way he wants to, in a way that makes a difference.  I’d think most of us would applaud that decision rather than question his motives.

Nobody said PI was easier than corporate, certainly not Jack.  If you’re a PI lawyer, then I say thank you for your commitment.  I’d also think you know how hard it is to find people that are willing to become morally and intellectually invested in the type of work you do. 

Good luck Jack.

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Ray Eames
Oct 31, 2008 6:50 AM CST

Ellen, your boyfriend has HAD a HEAD COLD for nearly three WEEKS.  I’m thinking he MIGHT have sy-philis!  You SHOULD definitely CHEX it out on YOUR Verizon Wireless BLACKBARRY or YOUR AT(N)T iFON.

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LO
Oct 31, 2008 7:05 AM CST

Sean, I completely agree with you. We are very cannibalistic of our own. The two comments above you are extremely judgmental and hateful. The truth is, there are a lot of lawyers that are hurting out there, even if they may not be hurting financially. “Jack” mentioned in the piece that he was interested in work that had more “intellectual curiosity”.

Doesn’t that imply that his current place of work may not give him as much of it, Dan? Instead of being so angry, and reading what you want to read, really read this whole piece in its entirety. I have been on both ends of this spectrum.

I have worked at big law firms and am now not practicing law. In fact, I am preparing to start my own business. Truth is, it is very possible to be making “good money”  at a big firm and seriously question why you are there. It is a shame that so many lawyers are influenced not to pursue their passions both within and outside the law because of the expectations they feel that they need to live up to.

Although I may not agree with his burning of his diploma, the truth is, that is what worked for him. It was obviously cathartic for him. I commend him for taking the steps to make himself more happy. Lord knows the world needs less frustrated attorneys.

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donna
Oct 31, 2008 7:07 AM CST

I don’t get Jack at all. I thought I was about to read an article about a lawyer who left a high paying job and was working as a field guide in the Rockies.  He hasn’t quit his job yet?  Whats the hold up?  Why burn the law degree from a school that gave you the best years of your life?  I think he is looking for publicity.

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Lawyer in AR
Oct 31, 2008 7:39 AM CST

Kudos Jack! The insane pursuit of material wealth buy chasing that dollar one hour at a time is not for everyone. Self-awareness is a powerful, liberating thing.

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dale
Oct 31, 2008 8:16 AM CST

The anonymous poster sounds sincere to me.  I think he’s lucky to have made enough money to break away without going into poverty…there are many attorneys out there without that luxury.  So I say Jack you are lucky so count your blessings.

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Tim
Oct 31, 2008 8:18 AM CST

BRAVO Jack!  You absolutely have my admiration.  I just wish that I had your guts.  I have thought countless times about doing something like you have done but I have never had the ability to close my eyes, hold my breath and take a flying leap of blind faith and quit it all.  And now as I near 55 years of age 3o years of law practice I wonder if it is to late.  The practice of law is definitely not what I imagined it would be.  Long hours, nagging clients, moral compromises and constant scarifices of one’s personal life.  We start out with high hopes of making a genuine change in the World then after years of practice find that we have only been treading water for years.  Professional curtesy, respect and decency no longer exist in this profession as “win at all costs” has become the legal mantra.  A prime example is some of the posts regarding this story.  Get a grip people…we all make our own personal choices in life.  Jack has made his and for that he has my admiration.  Atta boy Jack!

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whatever
Oct 31, 2008 8:27 AM CST

not sure what the end game is yet, but this looks like some sort of stunt to me. consider:

(1) jack has remained anonymous.

(2) in a whole year, so far all he’s actually done is “declutter” his house.

(3) buring his law degree on youtube is the “stuntiest” thing of all—couple hundred bucks, and “jack” can replace it.

(4) and note he blacked out his name in the video to protect his anonymity ... and maybe his job, or the movie or book deal that’s already in the works ...

sorry to be such a cynic, but someone who genuinely wanted to simplify would have done more, done it quicker, and either done it fully publicly or entirely privately.

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Julie Bedrich
Oct 31, 2008 8:29 AM CST

Jack,I totally get it! My dream was to someday live in Alaska. After a really hard emotional year, (my Dad’s death and my divorce), I left my house, packed what I could in my little Honda and drove west to Anchorage. I felt so free! I regret now that I moved back to the Chicago area and went to law school. Did great in school, passed the bar and all for what? The pay for new grads sucks, I hated my first law firm job, and I’m back to working as a nurse after all that!! I tell my kids I’m taking the Alaska bar and we’re moving back! Maybe when theyre done with high school I will…Time is short, Jack. Follow your dream!

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MV Esq.
Oct 31, 2008 8:38 AM CST

You know, giving away your furniture and burning valued possessions can often be a warning sign of suicide.

Just sayin’.

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Todd
Oct 31, 2008 8:40 AM CST

This guy hasn’t given up ANYTHING yet.  So what if he burns his law degree…he can get Harvard to print him another.  And if “Jack” is really, truly, interested in making a statement then why do it anonymously?  He hasn’t done anything that can’t be taken back, thus he hasn’t done anything at all.

The whole “I’ve thrown some stuff out as a symbol of my future separation from material excess” seems a bit silly too.  Dude, everyone gets rid of stuff they’ve accumulated - ever heard of a garage sale?

Oh, and “I’m gonna quit my job real soon - I’ll show you all!” ???  Again, “Jack” hasn’t done anything.  I’d love to hear from “Jack” again when he’s actually gotten rid of the house, the job, the Maserati AND has called Harvard to have them purge all records of him from their system.

Other than all that, I think “Jack” is someone we can all admire and learn quite a bit from.

“Jack” for president!

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Dan
Oct 31, 2008 8:41 AM CST

Sean,  Read the question and answer again…

Is there a way for you to continue on a legal career path that will satisfy your DESIRE FOR SIMPLICITY?

Jack: I am definitely interested in transitioning into the public interest field. Finding a legal job that satisfies my intellectual curiosity, assuages my moral convictions, and ALLOWS ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURUSE MY OTHER INTERESTS…”

Me me me.  Does he mention helping underserved communities or giving back some of what he’s certainly taken during his high paying career?  No.  He thinks that a career in public interest will bring him “simplicity” and allow him to “pursue other interests”, in other words, spend a few hours a week placating his fear that he’s a “bad person” because of his last job, and spend the rest of the time doing anything but work.

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Bubba
Oct 31, 2008 8:41 AM CST

Obama will give everyone free heat and gas so you don’t have to burn your diploma to stay warm.

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Chezzie
Oct 31, 2008 8:47 AM CST

Jack is simply a world class drama queen.

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Dre
Oct 31, 2008 8:48 AM CST

Ellen,

Next time use more capital letters! It’s really the only way to get your point across.

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Warren
Oct 31, 2008 8:49 AM CST

Todd - your comment is inane and pointless.  Want to hit up Jamba Juice later?

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Scott
Oct 31, 2008 9:53 AM CST

If Ellen Barshevsky is a fictitious character, to her creator, I say “bravo.”

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Jason
Oct 31, 2008 9:54 AM CST

Don’t all you people have anything better to do than post comments on webpages?

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Openskies
Oct 31, 2008 9:55 AM CST

Perhaps the fact that “Jack” has provoked all of these comments might lead a few of us to think more seriously about our own situations.  Most everyone here…whether they defend or criticize Jack, has put forth suggestions as to what the guy should or shouldn’t have done.  I take exception, because that approach misses the point and does nothing for the rest of us.  The real value of the “Jack” experience, and the lesson to be drawn from it, is that we should engage in some serious thinking about our own situations…nothing more.  What Jack does is right only for Jack, not necessarily for the rest of us.  The life he wishes to leave behind is not the same as ours, and his views of a “better life” don’t necessarily match ours.  That’s why it’s unimportant to become mired in—and distracted by—criticism of Jack’s thoughts and actions.  As a couple of the commenters correctly noted, life’s too short.  Forget about Jack’s particular problems and views, but thank him for reminding us to think about our own.  Look at yourself, get off the hamster wheel (if you feel you’re on one), and move closer to the life you truly want.  Jack’s doing it in his own way and on his own terms…and you should, too.

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Jo
Oct 31, 2008 9:57 AM CST

Life requires choices. There have been pros and cons to all the ones I have made in my life. Some people are lucky and make decisions proactively not because they are forced to choose one way or the other. Perhaps “Jack’ will show us all that you can have your cake and eat it too. Or maybe not. I am very interested to see what will happen to him because of his choices.

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Joan
Oct 31, 2008 9:58 AM CST

Everyone goes through changes in their lives and careers. The situation becomes much more complex when you’ve invested so much time and money in a career.  I also went to law school because I didn’t know what else I wanted to do, and after 14 years I gave it up. I could hardly stand my inhouse work near the end. I couldn’t bear sitting at my desk, but I had an expensive lifestyle that was hard to give up. Then there was a company-wide layoff that included all the legal staff. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. For the past 10 years, I’ve been working in a field I enjoy a lot more. My current career is intellectually stimulating, and my legal training helps me see things that some of my peers might not. The downside is that I earn about 1/3 of what I would be making if I’d stayed a lawyer. And I feel like an underachiever when I read that my classmates are now judges, mayors, and bar association presidents. Like me, Jack will have to make these tradeoffs. I hope he finds a place where he can use his considerable talents and be happy.

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John
Oct 31, 2008 10:11 AM CST

Dan:  Wow.  Really, get in touch with the automatic assessments you make of people.  Prior to reading this article, I read nearly all of Jack’s blog.  He writes extensively there about the process he’s been going through.  Check it out.  I don’t think you’ll come away with the notion that he thinks public interest lawyers are not “real lawyers”, as you put it.  Just food for thought.

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Michelle Obama
Oct 31, 2008 10:28 AM CST

I’m getting pretty tired of listening to people make nasty comments about Ellen.  She is a human bean.  You can always use spell check on a document but you can’t replace a good heart and that is what Ellen has.  It’s time to make this country less mean.  I think we’ll be seeing that change very soon.

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George
Oct 31, 2008 10:59 AM CST

Won’t give his name. I bet he burned a photocopy if he burned anything. Definitely a drama queen. Don’t know what a new copy costs even if he burned the real thing. Probably not too much.

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George
Oct 31, 2008 11:02 AM CST

If Ellen is indeed a human bean I think she deserves our respect as well as our sympathy.

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BEA
Oct 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST

WOW!  Jack’s self-reflection has caused quite a discussion.  This is great!  For many of you who have pointed out that we, too, can learn from Jack by taking an self-autopsy / or self-inventory to determine how we can become complete in both life and our careers, I say, “you are correct.”  This process helps us to determine how to make our lives count.

Also, to Post #25, Michelle Obama did not write that about Ellen being a human bean.  She is far too intelligent to categorize Ellen as a human bean when it should be a human being. - - Not to mention she is far too busy at the moment to comment on Ellen at all.  Next time Post #25, use your real name so we can match the intelligence with the right person.

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Bob in Juno
Oct 31, 2008 12:50 PM CST

Good luck Jack.  It takes a good lawye” to be a successful public interest lawyer, but in my experience success came at the sacrifice of time, you may be able to land a public interest job where there are sufficient resources to operate on a level playing field..  I went from government lawyer (federal agency, state AG, US Atty’s office) to public interest, to my present job as an agency adjudicator.  I have always felt that the pure partnership model of a private law firm is ultimately exploitive, and have shunned it.  I continue to go through a similar catharsis, although much less publicly.  My spouse and I are on a mutual plan to abandon our jobs and move to a buddhist center, to help build it.  I guess I will keep my law license, just in case.  I have a lot of trepidation about what it will mean for my son, who is still in elementary school.  I am hoping I can teach him, and that he will learn lessons it took me two decades to learn about the meaninglessness of chasing after material gain at the sacrifice of truly helping others.

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Spartan1
Oct 31, 2008 2:13 PM CST

I was taught that with all thy getting, get wisdom. My 35 plus year legal career has been in a variety of jobs: taught administrative law in a graduate school,  public service as a gov’t attorney and administrator, private practice with firm, & corporate law dept. for over 2 decades.  I’ve alwarys been careful to avoid radical career pendulum swings, particulary raising 4 kids. It’s not all about you in that situation. When single and early in marriage before kids I took another bar admission/exam and made a big job change to what I thought would be paradise in the law, but it was a mistake. I realized it quickly and didn’t make another mistake by thinking I’d be happy if I only had the dream job. We plow the field we’re in, and bloom where we are planted even if means a rocky furrow. Being a lawyer is hard work, but I wouldn’t want to be anything else. Good luck.

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Evangelina
Oct 31, 2008 2:59 PM CST

As a current law school student taking Legal Profession, I can certianly see Jack’s point.  There are so many lawyers who already have so much and still steal from their clients.  Still others do things that they don’t feel comfortable with just because they can’t afford to lose their jobs.  I would like to buffer that, however, by saying that there are many fine, upstanding, professional lawyers as well.  It’s a demanding job, and if you’re not 100% into it, you should get out.  If I hadn’t been absolutely certain this was what I wanted to do with my life, I wouldn’t be in law school at all.  Kudos to Jack (if he is real) for doing what it takes to be satisfied.

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Law Goddess
Nov 1, 2008 12:02 PM CST

Jack :  Been there, done that!  Would all of you quit whining about whether Jack can work in a “public interest” milieu.  Who cares?  The point is, he is going to do something different.  He may be a bit of a drama queen (burning the Harvard diploma), but it is scarier getting off the law firm track than staying on it.  Sometimes you just gotta do it!  Eight years ago, I gave up a law partnership, growing book of business, “power,” fancy restaurants, and most importantly, all the people I paid to take care of my children (then, 6 and 3).  I have been in a wonderful, family friendly in-house legal job ever since.  Yesterday on Halloween, I took the day off to be with my kids.  I did have to return one work call that I could not take because I was up to my elbows in pumpkin pulp.  So, whatever it is that you need to do, do it, and quit criticizing others!!

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Bitter Grad
Nov 1, 2008 5:52 PM CST

Screw you Jack.  I tried like hell to get into Harvard and Biglaw and you’re taking/took up space in both, preventing people who do want to work and get ahead from getting an opportunity.

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Concerned Shrink
Nov 3, 2008 3:10 AM CST

‘‘Jack did you ever consider getting help?”

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