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Law Pub Ponders the ‘Associate Apocalypse’
Posted Oct 7, 2009 8:05 AM CST
By Debra Cassens Weiss
Is an “associate apocalypse” drawing nigh?
That’s the question asked by the Am Law Daily. It notes “an early October onset of stories about the demise of the traditional law firm structure and compensation system for young lawyers.”
Among the evidence, as foreboding as the four horsemen:
• A Boston Business Journal story that has Nixon Peabody’s hiring partner proclaiming the law student recruitment model is “antiquated.”
• A Wall Street Journal (sub. req.) story on deferred associates scrambling for interim jobs.
• A Recorder story on the end of associate salary wars that has some wondering how low associate salaries will go.
• An American Lawyer story that says the recession has “permanently changed the way business is done in the legal industry,” resulting in fewer jobs and lower pay for associates.

Comments
B. McLeod
Oct 7, 2009 9:23 AM CST
Where is the Law Pub located? Do they have a good, oatmeal stout? One can ponder almost anything over a good, oatmeal stout.
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Recovering lawyer
Oct 7, 2009 10:03 AM CST
As one of the mass of laid off lawyers, I’d love to see some useful commentary on where these lawyers go from here. I’m a real estate lawyer (formerly securitization) and there is simply nothing out there for people with my skill set at any price.
I could live on half of my biglaw salary. I hate being a solo for a dozen different reasons, and money isn’t even at the top of the list.
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Esq.
Oct 7, 2009 10:27 AM CST
@ #2: It’s time to start thinking outside of the box, like they always said in law school (but which never applied to the curve grading system). The biggest thing is not to panic or feel sorry for yourself, to construct a plan for taking the first professional step toward where you want to be, and to stay focused.
I don’t see this as an apocalyspe. Rather, it is the market resetting to more rational levels.
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D. Ford
Oct 7, 2009 12:06 PM CST
@3: for certain law specialities (which is to say, patent law), thinking outside the box is not viable. Without at least one mentor, you’re never going to become remotely competent or effective for clients. Having seen attorneys underbidding one another for bankruptcy work and others struggle to get experience as pro bono practicioners, I can’t really say I agree with you. The old-time apprenticeships have been replaced by government work and associate positions, and in the arenas that the government doesn’t have work, people are, in essence, being forced back out of the practice of law.
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B. McLeod
Oct 7, 2009 9:24 PM CST
The Paulaner Oktoberfest is also really good this year, so it’s well worth asking after that, if you find yourself at the Law Pub.
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Recovering lawyer
Oct 8, 2009 8:35 AM CST
Esq (#3). My most transferable skills are in banking and finance. My law exit strategy involved an industry that has ceased to exist. “Think outside the box” is about as helpful as “I’m sure you’ll find something.” I’m willing to do something unconventional, but I have been to seminars. I have read self-help books. I have “networked” for ideas. I can’t figure out a direction that has potential, let alone how to get there. THAT’s the advice I desperately need and no one has it to give.
I didn’t panic. I have something to put on my resume for the last six months but I am out of ideas and my frustration level is through the roof.
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Esq.
Oct 8, 2009 9:34 AM CST
@ #6: Ok then, don’t think outside the box, which I believe is synonymous with ‘unconventional.’
If your transferrable skills are in banking and finance, you ought to be asking people with a background in banking and finance (or whatever area is is that you are looking for) what they think your next logical move should be. Not IF they have a job for you, but where they can conceivably see (or have seen) someone with your background going. And even if you feel you have ‘networked’ there are most certainly people out there whom you have not already met. You have to keep getting out there and pounding the pavement until you land a position. What other choice is there, really?
I speak as someone who searched for almost one full calendar year before finding a job after law school, and was broke the whole time. I did not have the benefit of a prestigious summer associateship on my resume, let alone having worked for a large law firm. But I made myself attend 2-3 bar association events per week, if only to get myself out of the house. I took additional bar exams to expand my geographic options. I drafted and redrafted my resume at least 100 times for various positions. I finally landed a job that offered experience but almost no money, and worked my way up from there.
Job searching and career planning are skills that are unfortunately not taught in school. There are a lot of people in this profession who don’t understand what it’s like to be unemployed. They are the types who got the 2L summer associateship, the immediate job offer, and who courtesy of ‘career placement’ firms who predominately place large firm associates with other large firms have had seemless transfers and transitions throughout their legal career. Then there’s the rest of us, who have had to do for ourselves.
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B. McLeod
Oct 8, 2009 6:46 PM CST
I also just tried (albeit, not at the Law Pub) the new BL Golden Wheat, which is surprisingly good for a domestic brew. Especially for a light. It is unfiltered, and brewed with coriander and citrus peel, tasting much like a Belgian wheat brew. Average calorie analysis reported as 118 for 12 oz.
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