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Business of Law

Where to Start & What to Charge for Lawyers-in-Training (Podcast)

Clients are tired of paying top dollar for lawyer on-the-job training.

In this month’s audio program, ABA Journal Podcast moderator Stephanie Francis Ward talks to our guests about where to start and what to charge for the work of lawyers-in-training.

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In This Podcast:


Leah Cooper leads strategy and development for CPA Global, a legal outsourcing company. Previously, she was managing attorney and general counsel EMEA for Rio Tinto, a multinational mining corporation.


William D. Henderson is a professor at the Indiana University Maurer School of Law. His work focuses on business law, and the economics and structure of the legal profession.


Paul H. Irving is a fellow in Harvard University’s Advanced Leadership Initiative. It’s a collaboration of Harvard’s graduate schools of business, government, education, law and public health created to advance social reforms and address challenging national and global problems. Previously, he served as co chairman, chief executive and managing partner of Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, where he now is a senior advisor.


Matthew M. McDonald is a corporate partner with Drinker, Biddle & Reath. He practices in Philadelphia.


Michael Roster is the former general counsel of Golden West Financial Corp. He now chairs the steering committee for the Association of Corporate Counsel's Value Challenge.


James Steigerwald, a litigation partner with Duane Morris, chairs the firm's hiring committee.

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