Question of the Week
When Confronted with Incivility, How Do You Handle It?
Posted Sep 23, 2009 12:29 PM CST
By Sarah Randag
This week, we wrote about a federal judge in Philadelphia who ordered an attorney who cursed and called his opponent names during a deposition to both attend a CLE course on "civility and professionalism" and sit down to dinner with his adversary.
The feuding lawyers told the Recorder they thought the sit-down was a good idea; one even hoped it could lead to settlement talks.
So we want to ask you: How do you cope when you're confronted with uncivil behavior in your legal endeavors? Have you—or perhaps a judge—ever come up with a creative solution that helped end an unproductive feud?
Answer in the comments below.
Read the answers to last week's question: What’s on Your Professional ‘Bucket List’?
Featured answer:
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I have, of course, threatened my kids with death if they even think of wearing my Bong Hits shirt to school.

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Scott Ealy
Sep 23, 2009 5:13 PM CST
Recently, a junior prosecutor approached me after a motion hearing. I thought she was going to congratulate me on a successful hearing for my client. Instead, she muttered through clenched teeth that she would adopt a harsher posture toward my clients in the future. I didn’t say anything at the time but her boss will hear from me the next time I have to deal with her. Because I WON’T be dealing with her. She is not worthy.
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Christopher Morris
Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM CST
I once had an opposing counsel that insisted on scheduling an examining physician’s deposition at eight o’clock in the morning despite knowing that I had to drive three hours to get there. After he continued the practice on more than one occasion, he questioned why it was necessary for me to schedule depositions 3 1/2 hours away from his house 5:30 PM on Friday afternoons. I explained to him that incivility is a two-way street that has no end.
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Paul the Magyar
Sep 24, 2009 2:21 PM CST
How do you cope when you’re confronted with uncivil behavior in your legal endeavors?
I shout obscenities at the judge from the safety of my holding cell, that is how!
Seriously, it is nice to practice ina jurisdiction where civility is much more common than incivility. My firm’s attorney-client agreements even contain this clause: “Firm reserve the right to withdraw from the case if, after discovery and investigation, they believe the case has no merit, or if at any time Firm, in their sole discretion, determine that Client’s conduct or expectations are unreasonable or unethical; provided, however, Firm will give reasonable notice to Client to seek other counsel. Firm reserves the right to make litigation decisions without consultation with Client, accord routine professional courtesies to opposing counsel, including such things as extensions of time to opposing counsel, relief from default by opposing counsel, and other such professional decisions.” We will hold an opposing party in default, but not if it is the opposing attorney’s fault rather than his client’s fault.
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William Bednarz
Sep 24, 2009 5:22 PM CST
FOOLISH QUESTION -.- Base your rates accordingly $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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John A. davidson
Sep 25, 2009 4:38 AM CST
I deal with a wise old lawyer. To limit the vitrol in our calls we talked baseball before getting down to the case at hand. Though sometimes we just do the obligatory obscenity at one and other and once that’s done we get down to business.
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John Kontrabecki
Sep 25, 2009 6:54 AM CST
The most effective way to deal with this is with Zero Tolerance. You calmly say to the other side who is acting rudely, you do it again, we take it to the Judge. If the uncivil behavior is over the telephone, you say, you do it again, I record all future conversations. If this takes place in a deposition, you say I want to note this in the record to take to the Judge. Zero tolerance is the only answer. Lawyers who are uncivil will continue to be so unless put in their place. They will escalate the conflict, run up legal fees and make unnecessary demands on the Court. If you are involved in a contract negotiation, you have your client tell the party he is negotiating with, get your lawyer under control or get another lawyer.
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CM
Sep 25, 2009 7:06 AM CST
I completely agree with #6. Also, was proud of one of my partners when she told a screaming adversary on the phone “I’m sorry, I have teenagers, and I’ve discovered that the louder someone talks to me, the less I can hear. Please call me back when you can speak to me at a normal volume.”
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Erin
Sep 25, 2009 7:41 AM CST
There’s no need to treat uncivil people the way they treated you. Just kill them with kindness. You’ll make friends and move up in the world, and they won’t, and eventually they’ll get what’s coming to them.
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Hadley V. Baxendale
Sep 25, 2009 8:07 AM CST
Laugh at them. Out loud.
Problem is, you can’t really take it o the judge except in the worst cases that affect the case, otherwise you look like a whiner, and judges hate dealing with this sort of thing. Think about excited you are when you r children present you with the case of “he called me a stupid-head.” That is how you look.
One of my mentors told me to start making a list, and just keep it. It’s about all you can do. The judges eventually find out about them and it hurts their court cred.
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Valerie R. Houghton
Sep 25, 2009 8:26 AM CST
I have maintained an archive of “Amazingly Wacky Fired Up Moments We Live to Regret,” wherein someone has “lost their grip in a spectacular manner.” There are categories for professionals and for clients, among others. If a lawyer leaves me a voicemail laced with obscenities, volume and/or other bilge, I save it on a voice memo (m4a) for entry into my annual Krankies Award. I talk about this award from time to time… before these moments arise… My goal is to defuse conflict while allowing others to save face. Speaking lightly (think paper boats floating on a pond) without sounding dismissive or sarcastic is key. These techniques have only proved to be effectively used by a female (me) and would need further testing and modification to be used by a male.
If the misbehavior occurs in front of clients and a judge, I grin, glance slowly around the room and say loudly “Thank you, your Honor!” If it occurs in front of clients, without a judge present, I smile ruefully and say in a light and lovely tone (looking at both of the clients) “This is not what we are trying to model for you all with YOUR behavior. How ‘bout we try that again?” If it is not in front of clients, I will start playing with my iphone and casually ask “Have you used that Voice Memo App yet? It records, saves and attaches the m4a file to an email, which you can just send on the spot to your hard drive… Then, there is the Koi Fish App, which is very soothing. Wanna see?” If the misbehavior is on the phone, I will suggest quietly (think Mr. Rogers) that we regroup and talk again when “both of us are having a less stressful day.” I always keep in mind that if I would respond in kind, the other person can find a way to blame me (“See?!!”) The beauty of defusing/silence is that allows the screamer to hear only themselves. That’s like watching a video of themselves acting out and that becomes its own deterrent. Remember “Desiderata…” by Max Ehrmann, 1927. Then, I go watch my YouTube playlist tailored to restoring my “inner peace.” My current favorite includes “Laughing Baby.”
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MW
Sep 25, 2009 8:37 AM CST
I prefer to share a story of civility….
Once, I had an injunction hearing scheduled for Monday in Philadelphia. We obtained expedited discovery to depose the key witness in Valdosta, Georgia on Sunday night. The deposition took place in my local counsel’s office in Valdosta. As the deposition was nearing conclusion, my host came into the conference room, tossed his office keys over to opposing counsel, and said: “John, would you mind locking up when you leave. You can just leave the keys on my porch.”
That typifiies what is really good about our profession—battle hard, but leave as friends…..(though, I’m not sure the Philadelphia bar has that level of trust!)
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sb
Sep 25, 2009 9:20 AM CST
I would like to share a story of lack of civility of opposing counsel—but I can’t. I have never had a conversation with any attorney in my area that I could characterize as uncivil. Every attorney I have spoken with has always been professional and civil. Gotta love the midwest!
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Nelson Crandall
Sep 25, 2009 10:07 AM CST
Many years ago, a female associate was in chambers when opposing counsel, a well known local attorney with a reputation for being unpleasant, called her a “c—t” in front of the judge. She responded by hitting him in the face, winning the respect of the judge and her colleagues.
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Richard Hunt
Sep 25, 2009 10:21 AM CST
If the behavior is off the record and oral I just ignore it. If it is on the record or in writing I save the examples until it will be strategically useful to my client for me to present them to the Court. It isn’t my job to make other lawyers civil, but I will exploit their mistakes for the benefit of my client.
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Diana
Sep 25, 2009 11:01 AM CST
How do I respond to incivility? Badly, when it comes from the judge. I had a judge who repeatedly called me “deary”, asked me if I was a licensed attorney, and told me I am being led around by my “short hairs” by my client. My offense was timely submission of my client’s responses to opponents 700 interrogatories - of which my client did not know the answer to 3 questions. Ms. Judge accused me and the client of lying about having no knowledge of these 3.
Because this was a status call, client was not in attendance. Ms. Judge demanded that I bring client to the next hearing so according to the judge “I will get the information out of your client” and “if your client does not know the answers she should not be filing a suit”.
I stood in front of the bench totally mortified I could feel my face getting red and veins throbbing. I kept a respectful tone and attempted to respond, but was not allowed to. Client dropped the case because she felt she could not win - obviously. Years later I will not go into that agency (state employment discrimination suit) and still feel that I should have come up with something more than ‘yes ma’am’ and ‘no ma;am’.
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Anon Esq
Sep 25, 2009 11:02 AM CST
This is what happens when the local bar and judges tolerate boorish behavior:
http://www2.oanow.com/oan/news/local/article/prominent_auburn_attorney_has_law_license_suspended/91396/P0/
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J
Sep 25, 2009 11:02 AM CST
In my first year of practice, I filed a lawsuit against a woman who apparently had friends in high places. Although the undisputed facts were clearly in my favor, I started receiving calls from an extremely prominent, nationally known, former-politician attorney representing her, who wanted to ignore the facts and just talk about my inexperience and how he would bury me with discovery and humiliate me at trial if I did not dismiss the case. Despite my efforts, the conversations did not reach the merits of the case or move us toward settlement. Soon, he was calling every day and keeping me on the phone for an hour or more. His clear intent was to brow-beat me into submission. Sometimes he would even have his assistant call to get me on the phone and then have me hold for 10 minutes until he came on the line. I’ll admit it, I was intimidated. But after several days of this, I had had enough. I politely informed him that our phone conversations were not productive and that I would no longer be able to speak with him on the phone. I requested that all of our correspondence be in writing. After that, I was able to get a decent settlement for my client.
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Jenny
Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM CST
When confronted with incivility, I respond with civility. You catch more flies with honey – and it drives your uncivil peer crazy!
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B. McLeod
Sep 25, 2009 11:34 AM CST
Disagreeing with a few of our colleagues above, I do not think judges want practitioners constantly calling on them to referree incivility disputes. I believe most judges would tell lawyers in their courts that they expect lawyers to be grownups and work this stuff out between them. That being said, any lawyer can certainly control his or her own conduct in the case, and need not react to incivility that is not blocking discovery, impairing case deadlines, or otherwise substantively impacting the case. Also, I think that when opposing counsel just seems to be inexplicably hostile, a lawyer should not be above simply asking if some action or statement of their own has perhaps inadvertently given offense. I don’t want to have a problem with a colleague for a whole case (or even beyond the case) over some misunderstanding that could have been cleared up. I have seen a few (mostly younger) lawyers who go after opposing counsel when their own case has a lot of problems. I don’t know if it is due to the stress and frustration they feel with that, or if they think it diverts attention from the weaknesses in their case. However, if it is the latter, it usually doesn’t work. It is basically a “tell” that they understand their case is not the best.
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B. McLeod
Sep 25, 2009 11:37 AM CST
And Jenny, it’s not that I disagree, but if it’s flies you’re after, there’s not much beats a dead weasel.
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Lawrence Major
Sep 25, 2009 2:18 PM CST
I am a full time mediator of cases pending in state and federal court in south Florida. During the past thirteen years that I have been conducting mediations very little lack of civility has occured. Most lawyers are professional and well prepared. On the few occasions that it has happened, I find the best policy is to confront it. I will take the offending lawyer aside and point out the offensive conduct and the negative affect it will have. That has with one exception resolved the problem. In the one instance tbhat it did not work, I terminated the conference and reported the offensive conduct to the court.
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Gerard Lafond
Sep 25, 2009 4:32 PM CST
I always try to keep in mind that rudeness and other unprofessional behavior are often a sign that the offender is beginning to unravel because of a perception that things are not going well for him or her. Of course, the only appropriate response is to refuse to rise to the bait, and I strive to maintain my poise and professional demeanor at all costs. To the extent I am able to achieve this, a significant advantage will accrue to my client, as there is no lawyer so ineffective as a flustered, emotional, unprofessional lawyer. Generally, I would leave it to the court to identify the need for such an individual to undergo counseling or re-education and the best way to implement that. However, I think I might balk at having to endure a dinner with the offender as part of his or her treatment plan.
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Bob Wilde
Sep 25, 2009 9:51 PM CST
I occasionally get very rude “for the record” letters. When I go to trial I always find a way to make some portion of the letters relevant to some issue and then offer them as exhibits. The response is always a very sheepish opposing counsel.
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Jason
Sep 26, 2009 6:05 PM CST
#6: In Texas, and in other places I’m sure, a lawyer is prohibited from taping a conversation with another lawyer, for any reason.
And although rarely have to deal with incivility here in Houston, I would never think about taking it to a judge if I did. I can fight my own fights, and judges here don’t like playing baby sitter to lawyers who cannot. Besides, it ALWAYS looks like the complaining lawyer is trying to gain advantage by tattling to the court.
Keep everything short, professional, and in writing. There is no cure for a lawyer who wants to be an ass, except for him to have an epiphany while learning by your example.
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Dave Hols
Sep 27, 2009 8:38 AM CST
I respond with sharply contrasting civility which has had an odd and unexpected consequence. The uncivil ones usually turn out to have puerile social skills and they form the unwarranted opinion that I am their friend and they want a relationship with me. Uh, no thanks.
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Mary D
Sep 28, 2009 11:26 AM CST
Once a (male) attorney asked me (a female) if the only reason I was objecting to production of discovery was because I was trying to be a p—ck. I answered that I didn’t have the equipment to be one, but that he did. He was civility itself to me for the rest of the case! Also, whenever I have had a particularly rude opposing counsel, I always invite them for lunch or coffee after the case is over. I got this hint from a helpful judge who observed rude behavior toward me from opposing counsel once. This is a very effective strategy and very disarming. They don’t always accept, but they are always polite to me in subsequent cases.
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Andy C
Oct 2, 2009 5:17 AM CST
As a criminal defense attorney, I occasionally deal with prosecutors screaming at me that I am being unreasonable by requesting discovery or asserting my clients’ rights. I simply walk away and tell them that if they have a problem with my request, they can bring it to the attention of the Court.
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David B
Oct 2, 2009 7:56 AM CST
I once had an attorney who repeatedly cursed at me during depositions (while telling me he was only trying to help me). When he became abusive toward one of my clients during deposition, I adjourned the deposition and requested that the judge appoint a commissioner for the rest of that deposition and future depositions of my other clients in the case. The judge appointed a respected retired judge as commissioner, with the parties to split the cost, and that ended the shenanigans. The commissioner more than paid for his cost by substantially reducing the length of depositions (he kept opposing counsel from inquiring into irrelevant matters intended to harass my clients).
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James W. Thompson
Oct 2, 2009 3:24 PM CST
These comments are most interesting—and enlightening because several underscore the danger of dealing with anyone by telephone. Some persons will say inappropriate things on the phone that they would not say face-to-face.
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Sandy
Oct 2, 2009 4:22 PM CST
I typically remind opposing counsel that while we have to be adversaries, we do not have to be enemies.
Friends come and go… Enemies accumulate.
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