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1. Posted by Wolfgang - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 51 minutes ago

   Sorry, but the rankings SHOULDbe used in making law school choices.  Why?  Because if you have any aspiration of getting into a large corporate law firm (i.e. where the big money is) or a prestigeous government attorney position, you had better graduate from the top schools or that $100,000 legal tuition debt will be the only legacy you’ll have after graduating from law school.  The big firms and government simply won’t hire you (exceptions: if your family has business development potential, none of the rules apply.  If you are a member of a favored minority group the rules don’t apply) For the 90% who don’t go to the prestigeous institutions you will end up in - if you’re lucky - in contract attorney positions or being a billable hours slave in an insurance defense firm.  The salaries will be mediocre, you’ll come to hate the work, and you won’t get sympathy from anyone.  Law is one of the most overrated lines of work currently.  When will these youngsters get their heads out of the sand?  You want money?  Be an entrepeneur or, better yet, become a trades person.  Plumbers make a LOT of money and the do-do they deal with at least is honest do-do.

2. Posted by J. - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 37 minutes ago

   "Just invite an America-hating, anti-Semite, terrorist-loving jihadist to your campus, and you, too, can raise in the rankings!”

   —Columbia University

3. Posted by LA from NY - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 34 minutes ago

   Dear J:

   Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor - take an international law class and stop watching fox news.

4. Posted by JPH - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes ago

   GO LIONS! 05’

5. Posted by MB - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes ago

   I’m puzzled.  What then is the “right” way to use the rankings?  A system for courts to decide automatically which review article is “right” and which is “wrong”?

6. Posted by WacaWaca - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 3 hours, 54 minutes ago

   Wolfgang:

   All generalizations are dangerous, even this one.  I attend a tier 4 school and was offered several positions in mid to large firms.  The top offer was on par with the top paying NY firms, but I’m not in going to be working in a major city.  It may be easier to get into big law from the top 10, but its not that hard to do as well if you actually work in school and get good grades.

7. Posted by In-House - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 3 hours, 42 minutes ago

   Agreed.  I attended a second tier law school in a major city that had other higher ranked schools.  I studied constantly (and did very well grade-wise), made law review, etc. and upon graduation had plenty of offers at all the big-name firms in town.

   If you didn’t get into a top school, or if you didn’t make top grades at whatever school you attended, maybe you’re not cut out for the positions that bring the benefits everyone seems to drool over.

8. Posted by per - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 49 minutes ago

   Wolfgang needs to go into the trades for a few decades and find out how not-honest the business is, especialy when the economy gets tight and work is hard to find. I did that for half a lifetime. This law gig is many times better, at any level, for any duration.

9. Posted by Nancy - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 47 minutes ago

   Making top grades does not necessarily correlate to ability to be a good lawyer or ability to perform in those jobs that bring great benefits.  At tier 2 and below schools, there are typically stiff curves (some schools even require a certain percentage of students to get Ds)...in those situations, the A student could be within a few points of the D student simply because of the curve and grading system.  Unfortunately, law firms don’t have much other than grades and law review to use as a hiring factor: and some firms just won’t hire a C student from a tier 2 or below school b/c they use grades and rank as a promotional tool to obtain clients.  Until there is a better measure, this is the way it is, but no one should mistake the current “measure” for hiring as the truth about skill and talent.

10. Posted by nate - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes ago

    Wolfgang...so sad to see you make such a giant generalization. I graduated in the top 10% of my class from a tier 4 school (they offered me full scholarship to attend)...and it turned out perfrect for me.  Now working at one of those “hard to get” government jobs you wrote of.  Great pay, great insurance, and a great life.  I worked construction during the summer months all through college to end up in law school.  The law gig is so much better.  I hope future law students don’t put too much weight in the rankings.  It’s like most things in life...the people who want it the most usually get it no matter the path.

11. Posted by Ron - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes ago

    Ranking is a part of life.  For those who abhor such arbitrary measurements, get over it.  Just remember:  In real life, the “A” students typically work for the “B-” students.

12. Posted by Jonathan Edwards - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 28 minutes ago

    Never even looked at the rankings before I applied to law school.  Location was everything to me.  Location still is everything.  I am not relocating after I graduate in May, I have my business plan for my own firm, in a small but wealthy suburb that is very underrepresented by attorneys.  (and the big city next door is in another state!) I may have some debt, but if you worry about what you owe, then you worry too much.  worry about other things, so long as the salary covers.  money isn’t everything.  I graduate at 53 years old, and will have MY name on the door on day one.  I am in charge of balancing my life and work, and my law school may be tier 4, but it is a highly respected school in my state (all five of our Supreme Court Justices graduated from it) and that is where it counts.

13. Posted by Stephen - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 26 minutes ago

    I think the best thing about the ranking system is that it proves absolutly nothing.  It may make someone feel all snug and warm inside but it is just a number.  In the end, if you need that number to get a job then maybe you do not want to work for them anyway.  Lets face it if you want to work for the high end corporate law firms in New York, you most likely will never make partner at that firm because you will change jobs and take a pay cut and work for someone you like.  Then you can strut out on your own and make more money working for yourself than working for any of the huge law firms.

14. Posted by Reality Check - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes ago

    Wolfgang has obvioulsy had a bad experience somewhere!!  I agree with the rest of you - it’s not all about rankings.  I went to a tier 3 school and have a very well paying job that I love.  Not everyone is in it to be a corporate lawyer.

15. Posted by Dbomb - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes ago

    Stephen, did you say “snug” or “smug”?

16. Posted by LAK - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 1 minute ago

    The usefulness of the rankings is when it is applied as such:  For ex: You live in NY State and have to decide between Buffalo, Syracuse, and Albany.  Syracuse and Buffalo are both at 100 (what a fall for Buffalo!) and Albany is Tier 3.  Buffalo tuition is $21,000, Albany is $37,000, Syracuse is $41,000.  Do the math! 

    Some of us actually go to law school to pursue social justice - so who cares about the top paying law firms. 

    It’s useful, but not to live or die by.
    Peace!
    L

17. Posted by LAK - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 54 minutes ago

    In-State for Buffalo is $14,000 -
    Really do the math!

18. Posted by Nicki - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 44 minutes ago

    I also disagree with Wolfgang.  I attended New England School of Law in Boston, a so called “Tier 4” law school.  I actually got into NYU and was recruited by Northwestern but settled at NESL for personal reasons, and I don’t regret it.  The students were friendly and actually shared notes and didn’t compete with each other.  Down the street at Harvard the students complained about other students tearing books out of pages to disadvantage other students, refusing to share notes, etc.  Not at New England!

    We didn’t have grade inflation (notorious at many top-ranked law schools) and it was set that only so may could could receive A’s, B’s, etc.  We actually worked out butts off for our grades.  I remember that there was an uproar in my second year because teachers actually had a DOWN curve, meaning that students who should have gotten A’s got B’s instead because only a certain number of people could get A’s. 

    At NESL, I studied under excellent professors, including Ronald Regan’s former attorney, and received an excellent education.

    I subsequently passed two bar exams with high scores and secured a job at a small firm in Philadelphia.  I have no real billable hour requirement and my hours are generally 9-5.  I don’t make $126,000 but I make a comfortable salary and I actually have a social life.  I first-chaired a federal court trial less than six months after starting practice, and I regularly represent clients at trial and in administrative hearings.  I have gotten more trial and hearing experience in two years than five-year associates at big firms.  A couple years from now, I’ll be running my own practice at the age of 27 while associates at prestigious big firms are still writing briefs for partners and dreaming of attending a deposition or first-chairing a trial. 

    I attended my first CLE last week with associates from some of the big firms here.  They spent the whole CLE playing on their blackberries and whining about their bosses.  They are no smarter than me- I graduated at the top of my college and law school classes- and the fact is that I am a more experienced and probably better lawyer than they are. 

    I loved my school and I don’t regret giving up NYU to go to NESL at all.  And by the way, Justice Scalia visited NESL when I was a senior.  I was able to actually eat lunch with him and have a conversation with him.  I told him that he’d see me again one day, arguing before him.  And with the experience I gained at NESL and the experience from my non-big firm job, I know it’s the truth.

19. Posted by Ryan - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 44 minutes ago

    Wolfgang was that guy that took out loans to eat at Morton’s every night. My suggestion: get down off the cross use the wood to build a bridge and get over it. One of my buddies is an insurance defense firm “slave” and goes surfing 4 days a week lol

20. Posted by Jon BJ - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

    Hey, did you know that Richie got arrested?

21. Posted by Horace - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

    I graduated from one of the top law schools, have been a partner for many years at a top law firm and yet convinced my elder son to go to client school, not law school.  There are too many lawyers, the competition to get even where I have is much more fierce than it was years ago and law practice is becoming increasingly commoditized (if that’s a word).

22. Posted by Nonmajority HLS grad - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 58 minutes ago

    Wolfgang,

    Do you seriously believe that being a member of a minority group helps you get hired by big firms and for prestigious government positions?  You, my friend, seem to be just a bitter TTT grad.  I truly feel sorry for you.

23. Posted by Cyntha Suiter - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 37 minutes ago

    I would like to say that I got a very nice government job and I didn’t go to a top law school.  While the overall rankings had no affect on my decision, the specialty program rankings did.  I made the right decision.  I get to do what I am passionate about and make money.  What I would say to anyone looking at the rankings is that it is up to you to make the most of your education and get out of it what you want.  Does going to a top law school make it easier to get to certain places?  Maybe, but you should go out and visit the schools and make sure it is a place where you will personally thrive and be successful beyond the school name on your degree.

24. Posted by Elwood - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 29 minutes ago

    U. S. News is addled. You would EVER put NYU-going to school in a warehouse- ahead of Michigan? For that matter who would put Berkely or Penn ahead of them? Ask recruiters who the firms want.

25. Posted by Don't hate - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 21 minutes ago

    Wolfgang—“If you are a member of a favored minority group the rules don’t apply.” The fact that one (you?) didn’t make the big firm cut, can’t be blamed on a minority lawyers getting your hoped-for gig. (Yawn.) How lame. Take a look at the minority lawyers (I know you probably don’t know any) at the vast majority of the silk stocking firms and you will find that more than 90% of them attended top ten law schools.  This certainly doesn’t match the numbers for non-minority attys at the same firms.

    Wait, I’m reading your mind . . . “a minority took my spot at X top 10 law school.” (see, i.e., affirmative action).  Lame, I say!

26. Posted by soundslead - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 19 minutes ago

    Wolfgang is way off the mark with his opening rant.  I know several people who went to lower ranked law schools that have ended up in extremely lucrative legal positions.  In the end, people want to see that you excelled in law school more than anything else.  Myself, I went to Catholic Law and I am about to begin working as an ADA in Philadelphia once I pass the bar this summer.  I worked very hard in law school, and feel that I earned this position with meaningful summer jobs and good grades.

27. Posted by SB - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 11 minutes ago

    All this arguing, and no one appears to have accurately read the statement.  What he says is that no one should use the rankings as the “number one” reason to go to a law school, not that they shouldn’t use them at all.  That leaves a whole lot of leeway as far as how to use them.  As a few posters have said already, different people have different things they want to get out of law school.  Because of that, different people will use different criteria to choose a law school.  How important rank and grades are depends on the job you want; if you want a top job at a big firm, you need top grades at a ranked school.  If you want a job at some small firm in a rural area, those things are much less important.  If you want to hang your own shingle, no one will care where you went to school or how well you did on your Con Law final.

28. Posted by Al DeRogattis - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 10 minutes ago

    Im not proud that I went to a tier 4 law school, but I couldn’t do any better.  However, when there, I had a great time, and the co-eds who were undergraduates couldn’t care less (they never heard of Stanford where we were in Missouri).  Now I’m earning a decent buck (admittedly in Missouri) have 3 kids and a wife that adores me.  I would take it over the snooty types in Washington and NY and LA who may have a big name school on their resume.  More importantly, they’re no beauties, either.  Hillary was the best looking one to come out of law school, and it wasn’t U of Arkansas, though the Razorbacks there are literally pigs.  Im happy if not rich, so who cares!

29. Posted by Wow - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 6 minutes ago

    Listening to all these comments makes me especially glad I don’t practice law anymore. Stress kills, my friends! Why can’t we all just get along?

30. Posted by 3L - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 4 minutes ago

    I am very tired of comments from people like Wolfgang.  I went to Stanford undergrad and for personal reasons, chose to go to a local state school that is in the lower Tier 1.  I worked my butt off and am currrently in the top 10% of my class.  I received 16 job offers, all from firms in the Top 50 according to Vault Rankings.  I accepted one of the offers, had a wonderful summer experience at the firm, and believe that I (hopefully) impressed the partners whom I worked with who usually only had to deal with Harvard and Yale summer associates.  I’m clerking for a federal judge next year as well.

    My law school classmates are just as smart, if not smarter, than my classmates at Stanford.  Many chose to go to my school for financial reasons.  We have students in our class who got into Georgetown, Columbia, and NYU but decided that going to a local school made most sense.

    Please refrain from making such rampant generalizations—you should actually talk to some folks outside of the Top 25 schools to see what the real story is!

31. Posted by Bill - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days, 3 minutes ago

    Wow, people actually pay $45k/yr tuition for law school? Tennessee has a first-tier public school that costs about $10k/yr in-state. If you’re willing to voluntarily pay $135,000 for law school you’re probably not smart enough to be a good lawyer anyway.

32. Posted by Who cares - 1 month, 1 week, 5 days ago

    Dear LA from NY,

    Accept the fact that Ahmadinejad IS a terrorist, anti-semite dirt bag. J has it right. Oh, and prestigious law schools are overrated. We all read the same books, and have to pass the Bar.

33. Posted by Mike - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 38 minutes ago

    I think it’s to bad that the inspiration and sense of civic duty I found in law school appears to have been missed by most everyone else. Pay attention kids: If you only use your law degree to chase cash and LA Law-style moments of fame, who will govern your/our generation? How about a minimum age requirement for law school admission? 35? (Or work/life experience at the very least.)

34. Posted by josey wales - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes ago

    The first comment is absurd, All law school education is essentially the same, if you buy into the notion that you are getting something more than a big name on your resume, you aren’t as bright as you think.  Its true going to a top tier big name law school will open more doors for you, however everyone still has to take the same classes, everyone uses the same textbooks, and obviously the case law is the same.  Now that I think about it those that choose not to go to the top tier schools are probably smarter than those that do because they see the myth of law school rankings.

35. Posted by Doug - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes ago

    To the extent that the rankings are based on a “prestige” factor in the surveys they use to compile them, they are a reasonable guide to how employers are likely to view you if you graduate from a particular school.  And assuming that most people go to law school to become lawyers, the rankings list is not an unreasonable factor to incorporate in your decision about what school to attend.

    In terms of where you will get a better education, to me that seems so qualitative as to be unquantifiable.  But it’s also a reasonable bet that the best faculty is attracted to the most prestigious institutions.  And since the level of instruction in any subject generally tailors itself to the mean intelligence of the student body, it’s likely that you will see more sophisticated teaching the more selective a school is—assuming that the intelligence of those selected is positively correlated with the selectivity of the institution.  (Again, not a perfect correlation but there’s certainly an effect.)

    The point is, while it’s faddish to dismiss the rankings as meaningless, there is some value to using them as one, but certainly not the only, factor in deciding where to apply.

36. Posted by Sean - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 12 minutes ago

    Wolfgang, it is truly sad that you seem to honestly believe your statement. I went to a tier one school and have worked in DC for close to 20 years and I have seen plenty of great attorneys move up through the ranks of the City’s most prestigous law firms and occupy key governent positions who went to law schools that never crack the second tier.

    While a law school does provide a prospective employer with certain baseline information about an applicant, it is simply one of many considerations, and quickly loses its importance the longer that an attorney has been out of school and in the real world.

37. Posted by Old Practitioner - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 49 minutes ago

    Ah, how I love reading all of these “I made it without going to Harvard or Yale” back-patting self-congratulating posts.  Sorry, but with over thirty years in this profession I agree with much that poor condemned Wolfgang had to say.  Law today is caught up in smarmy contests involving prestige.  There IS something wrong when private practice has degenerated to fawning over the demands of so-called “rainmakers” while letting client service fall far behind.  And WHERE you got your law degree from DOES affect your career even many years after graduation.  Case in point:  Here in Chicago several years ago it was deemed newsworthy enough when a former staff attorney at the SEC (whose reputation for competence was stellar) decided to go into private practice.  The best this attorney could do was as a “staff attorney” at one of the White Shoe law firms.  When the firm was questioned about this the response was that only graduates of a dozen schools are hired as “associates.” So, my little nimrods, pedigree DOES trump experience, ability and desire. 

    In the current market there are too many younger attorneys who would definitely like to disagree with the roses-and-lavender comments made by the people on this forum.  That includes many, many law review types and top 10% of class graduates from schools other than the top 25 who consider themselves fortunate to even land the contract attorney position so they can at least service the interest on their student loans.  If you people consider yourselves to have bucked the odds - good for you - but you are the distinct minority.  Wolfgang’s admonitions are just as valid as your “see how well I’ve done” bragging.

38. Posted by Living in DC - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 33 minutes ago

    Doesn’t anyone realize that it is up to YOU to make your own life.  It isn’t necessarily what school you attend that matters.  Instead, it is what you choose to do with the education you receive and how much inner motivation you have to succeed.  The former deputy AG who is one of the most influential lawyers in DC went to a law school most haven’t even heard of, but he has sure done well-- because he chose to do it.  Stop complaining and get out there and make a difference.

39. Posted by William Bondanza - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes ago

    Why is everybody picking on “Wolfgang”?  He isn’t off the mark (other than the fact he could spruce up his name).  We must work hard to be successful at whatever we do, be it law, the trades or in socializing with others.  Don’t pick on “Wolfgang” for being straight.  There’s too many here that just like to hear themselves talk.

40. Posted by Go Bears! - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 21 hours, 30 minutes ago

    Berkeley is da bomb!

41. Posted by libslayer - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 21 hours, 27 minutes ago

    Take note at how the liberals posting here all think that everything should be handed to them while the real Americans, the conservatives, are willing to work for it.

42. Posted by A Chris K - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 21 hours, 7 minutes ago

    I got into a Top 50 school, but decided to attend a Tier 4 for convenience and financial reasons (some of them give out partial scholarships like pancakes). THERE IS A DIFFERENCE! Although it would be false to say that school ranking is absolute destiny, it is just true that middle to large firms tend to prefer Tier 1 grads (some of them actually declare it as a prerequisite, I was shocked to find out). If you graduate from a Tier 4, you’d better make law review, or at least moot court, and have a good GPA, or be in the top 10% more generally, otherwise you are probably not even competitive. There is more flexibility if you graduate from a Tier 1.

    All that’s assuming you’re just a regular guy or gal, without special “access” or luck. And since small firms are not really hiring a lot, you get a dismal state of affairs for MOST graduates. With the proliferation of contract work, it makes you wonder, not only whether this profession will remain a true “profession,” but also whether you have been misled into a narrowing field. Granted, you can always do well on your own with a license and a law degree from anywhere, if you have the build for it; just don’t expect to be HIRED with any reasonable ease if you’re a Tier 4 grad, unless you’ve really distinguished yourself positively in some way.

43. Posted by Ted - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes ago

    Michigan does seem to be under rated by U. S News, based on its reputation selectivity and endowment.t

44. Posted by Cunyon in Chicago - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes ago

    Hats off to Mike (#33) for recommending that law schools consider a minimum age requirement for admission.  Mike suggested 35 years old (I hope it was tongue in cheek), but the idea has merit.  Young people should not attend law school as a knee-jerk response to graduating from college and having nothing better to do.  They should take a year or two to work at home or abroad, volunteer, travel, serve their country or just meditate.  A year outside of parents’ homes, college dorms and deferred adulthood will make them better able to make career decisions, and to guage the very school selection factors being debated here. 

    Northwestern Law School in Chicago favors such experience and strives for 90% of an incoming class to be students with at least a year of “real world” experience after college.  And, well, you see Northwestern is in the Top 10 in US News. 

    By the way, US News is only one survey, and it plainly reveals its criteria.  If you have a different set of values than the editors there, then don’t rely on the US News survey.  There are others out there, based on criteria like diversity of the student body, campus culture, professors’ commitment to teaching, civic engagement and the like.

    Surveys are like TV: if you don’t like what’s on, turn the darned thing off and stop complaining.

45. Posted by Bill - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes ago

    Maybe Mike (#33) was so remarkably unique in finding a sense of inspiration and civic duty in law school because the “kids” today are exclusively focused on the fact that they have to fight for a rare six-figure job if they want to avoid living in poverty for the next twenty years as they try to pay off their loans. Pay attention Gramps: tuition has quadrupled since you were in school.

46. Posted by common cents - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 18 hours, 15 minutes ago

    The only real benefit of a top 15 school is that you have more options immediately after graduation. (most of which do indeed include the proverbial golden handcuffs)

    All of you should well know that practice is the great equalizer. The only time one’s school is mentioned is when he or she is absolutely brilliant and went to a tiny school or dreadfully unskilled and went to a great school. Get your degree and then GET OVER IT! I know absolute sharks who went to poorly ranked schools and every skill / school combination in between. The reality is each individual has different priorities, some prefer $ and others personal time. We are all lucky to have had the chance to attend ANY law school, it’s an amazing experience. -Happy graduate of a # 32.

47. Posted by Northwestern '80 - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes ago

    I think Harvard should be knocked down to about 11 due to the Spitzers, who are both knuckleheads.

48. Posted by South Texas - 1 month, 1 week, 4 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes ago

    Which one of these schools win mock trial and moot court competitions consistently?  I want to be a litigator.

49. Posted by C - 1 month, 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes ago

    When I started law school, we were a Tier 3 School with the promise of becoming a Tier 2 school.  In an interestng twist of events, when I graduated, we had plummeted down to Tier 4.  I, for one, did not do as well as I had hoped my first year, and I actually contemplated dropping out after my first year and cutting my losses at $30,000 instead of $90,000.  I stuck with it, though, got my grades somewhate up (I finished in the Top 1/2) and I did everything that I possibly could do to make myself more marketable.  I landed a job as a federal law clerk in a major city, and have since been recruited by large firms in NYC.  While I don’t know what the future holds for me, the ranking system doesn’t seem to have impeded my ability to get a job, and I highly doubt that after 2 years with a federal judge, someone is going to look at me and say “We can’t hire you because you graduated from a Tier 4 school.”

50. Posted by Paschal from Michigan. - 1 month, 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 15 minutes ago

    I perfectly understand the idea behind this ranking nonsense - to perpetuate the class system of the legal profession. I attended a 4th tier law school (whatever that means). I opened my own law firm as soon as I passed the bar. I am into general practice, and international business agency. I refuse to send my resume to anyone. I am my own boss, and I have no regrets.

51. Posted by JD - 1 month, 1 week, 1 day, 16 hours, 56 minutes ago

    4th tier, 1st tier, black, white, asian, makes no difference. You’re all going to take the same classes and sit the same bar exam. Either you’ll pass it or your won’t. Some of you will make good atty’s, and some won’t.  If you wanna make money, go to medical school!