Question of the Week
What’s Holding You Back from Going Solo?
Posted Sep 9, 2009 2:59 PM CST
By Sarah Randag
Next week, the Legal Rebels '09 Tour will be visiting an expert on going solo.
On Tuesday, Sept. 15, an ABA Journal team will talk to Susan Cartier Liebel, the solo practice evangelist who founded Solo Practice University, a website providing support and resources to those practicing alone or in small firms.
But before we meet up with Liebel, we thought we'd open the floor to questions and issues you'd like her to address.
In the comments below, let us know what concerns you have about going solo or starting a small firm. Are you worried about how much savings you need? Whether you’ll be able to handle the business side of the practice? Or, if you're a new lawyer, do you have concerns about finding mentors?
Tell us, what, if anything, is holding you back from hanging your own shingle?
Answer in the comments below.
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anonymous
Sep 9, 2009 3:11 PM CST
1. Not having been taught in school what I need to know to adequately represent clients in a solo practice (i.e., details of trial procedure)
2. The knowledge that my best friend, who is solo, made 8000 dollars last year after expenses.
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really
Sep 9, 2009 7:21 PM CST
Having a $1500 a month student loan payment before I have even bought a loaf of bread doesn’t help.
The solo market is SATURATED!
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Solo soon
Sep 9, 2009 8:34 PM CST
Not much is holding me back anymore. Job security is a myth as long as I’m working for someone else.
My biggest fears are getting a steady stable of clients (already have a good start) and surviving until I get a decent cash flow. I’ll be starting from nearly scratch, which is incredibly terrifying given commitments, kids, house, etc.
But soon. Maybe as early as next week.
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Jennifer
Sep 10, 2009 6:15 AM CST
could it be that most solos are near bankruptcy and only do it because 1) they cannot get a job as a lawyer because the supply of lawyers far exceeds the demand for lawyers and 2) the demand for legal services by paying clients is far less than the supply of new starving solos cranked out by the almost 200 diploma mill law schools.
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tiffany
Sep 10, 2009 10:25 AM CST
Susan Liebel should not be promoted as a legal rebel. In fact, she should be ashamed of herself. Essentially what she is doing is milking money from the long term unemployed - people that are down on their luck, depressed, and at the end of their ropes.
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Esq.
Sep 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST
The more I can learn a complex area of the law on someone else’s dime, the more I can charge if I decide to hang out a shingle in the future.
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Tim
Sep 10, 2009 11:09 AM CST
You shouldn’t go solo until you have the book of business to take with you. Until then, work for a firm, get practice, and build up your reputation.
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Steven
Sep 10, 2009 12:27 PM CST
Key is having a niche practice. While Susan Liebel is a little overly optimistic in her blog, going solo can be a great opportunity if you have the right type of practice.
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mac
Sep 10, 2009 12:42 PM CST
So many reasons;
1) Not making enough money. I have a $1250 a month student loan payment. I don’t want to eat ramen noodles until I’m 65.
2) Never having practiced before, I don’t want to learn on the job on small clients’ dime or my dime. I’d rather learn on another firm’s dime.
3) Malpractice concerns. A college friend of mine went solo and screwed it up so bad he was disbarred. I don’t think I’d fail like he did, but you never know, especially with clients who might get a little nuts themselves.
4) Getting enough work. I studied real estate law figuring if everything else went south, real estate transactions could always keep me afloat. Oops! That worked out great didn’t it.
5) Having to learn everything. Solos just don’t do one thing, they do a lot of things, and not necessarily well.
6) Getting paid by clients.
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PubliusEsq
Sep 10, 2009 3:06 PM CST
Another misleading article from the worthless ABA journal. Instead of deftly probing for the systematic reasons as to why so many solos’ fail, and why it is so difficult to open a solo practice in an environment completely flooded with superfluous lawyers, it poses the archaic and neo-conservative question of what is blocking the individual from maximizing their professional dreams in the unlimited land of never ending plenty.
Its an easy question to answer, stupid. There are so many unemployed and underemployed debt slave lawyers that it is extremely risky to open a solo practice because there are already too many solos’ charging bargain basement level fees just to survive.
The answer to the question does not lie with some feel good cheerleader dispensing common sense advice. It is a matter of math. Far too much supply for the demand.
The answer is:
1. the ABA should stop accrediting law schools and produce real statistics reagrding legal under and unemployment;
2. the government should limit the number of loans it backstops for law school to a level commensurate to the real supply and demand of the profession, not the artificial demand created by the overabundance of law school and seats. These loans should be funneled into math, science and tech educations which will strengthen the economy for the future, not drain it in the present by wasting resources through directing too many loans to individuals that will not be able to repay them and never use their education for its intended purpose.
3. student loans should be dischargeable in bankruptcy, thereby forcing lenders to be more prudent in their lending practices.
The above solutions would equalize the supply and demand curve for legal employment, avail solos’ with opportunities to practice and stay in practice, retore the gatekeeper function of lawyers, which is diluted by cuttroat job competition, end the growing number of miserable debt slave lawyers without job prospects, reduce the government’s financial burden of backing student loans that are defaulted upon and reduce the unethical conduct and frivolous lawsuits that ruthless job competition promotes.
The ABA journal is as relevant today to the majority of working lawyers as Pravda must have been to Soviet citizens in 1989.
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Nick
Sep 10, 2009 4:14 PM CST
I worked in L.A. for various law firms practicing civil litigation. I hated the billables. Moved back home to Texas and opened up my own law practice. I had $14,000 saved up. I didn’t use that much of it. I decided to practice in areas that are flat fee—no billables: immigration, criminal law, etc. I made $55,000 the first year. Second year, I made around $80,000. This year, I am on track to make $140,000. All of this is gross earnings, of course. Overhead is very low for me, and I decided to have my student loans on 30 year plans and pay $230 / month on them. So, I am at odds with all the fears from the comments so far—do some planning beforehand and don’t jump in without said planning. Have some savings. Lack of finances will sink you. And be patient.
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Susan Cartier Liebel
Sep 10, 2009 7:00 PM CST
I’m slightly surprised I’m being labeled as a cheerleader for solo practice. Anyone who knows anything about me knows my passion for the solo option started more than 17 years ago when my school offered nothing except derision for my wanting to open a practice out of law school. There were no resources, no map, no mentors, nothing. And yet I wasn’t alone in my desire to go solo and build a business and be an entrepreneur. There was a whole ‘silent’ minority planning to do the same. It just wasn’t prudent to say anything.
This led to my opening a practice with two others law grads with just a couple of nickels, creativity and some hutspah and doing it well by figuring out all the issues addressed above in the comments.
Solo Practice University didn’t just materialize out of thin air after bloody Thursday as an opportunity to capitalize upon unemployed lawyers’ distress. It was in the making in theory for those 17 years and in earnest more than two years ago when Big Law associates were getting bid up to $200,000 for annual salaries. The real estate market was rich and partners were bragging about making more than $1M. The fact we opened five months ago was serendipity.
Going solo is not for everyone. And it is hard work and commitment. But talk to a solo who has made it through the dips and you’ll will find a lawyer who would practice no other way.
Student loans are negotiable and there are programs in place to reduce your monthly debt service but it takes a little shoe leather to find the right programs for you.
Solo Practice University didn’t open to entice those who want to work for others to go solo. It is for those who know they want to do this but need a solid resource and environment in which to learn how. There is simply no other resource like this available and that’s why it was created. It’s what I wish I had when I hung a shingle right out of law school. So, instead of trying to tell law schools they should do it which they never would, I just did it myself.
Our students are not lonely, depressed, unemployed miserable souls. They are new grads and current solos who want to learn how to do it better. They could be changing their practice area because the one they had hung their hat on is no longer lucrative. They want to learn how to lower their overhead, what services, products to invest in to streamline their practices. Talk about a scam out there. You could spend thousands in mistakes when it comes to set up and there are plenty of lousy products. We’re trying to help solos avoid those mistakes.
#11 Nick has it right. With planning and low overhead he is exactly correct with his income…not necessarily the numbers because that is highly individual, but the percentage increase from year to year. By year three you will be close to three times your salary of the first year if you are working smart.
This isn’t rocket science. You don’t need the whole pie to survive and make a respectable living. You just need a slice that will satiate you. Claiming saturation and no demand is using (faulty) statistics to defeat yourself. In every crisis there is opportunity. If that makes me a cheerleader, I’ll gladly shake my pom poms.
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Steve
Sep 10, 2009 8:05 PM CST
Agree with #4 except for use of the term “diploma mill”. That is a derogatory meant to describe unaccredited schools that sell degrees with lax requirements for attendance or performance - and no academic rigor.
The lower-ranked schools are primarily lower-ranked because of the poor employment prospects of their graduates. And rightly, they are described as a poor investment for a law student. But the low ranking does not mean the degrees were merely “bought”, and their graduates inept. If anything, diploma mill is a term to be used on the T1 schools that never fail anyone out. (just kidding)
I might venture that the T3 and T4 grads are better prepared for solo practice straight out of law school because more of their students expect it (or plan for it). T1 grads who are groomed for BigLaw would be less suited to solo practice immediately.
But for all lawyers, it comes down to stockpiling money and/or a book of business to get started on a firm footing.
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MLB
Sep 11, 2009 4:07 AM CST
Fear
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Dan K.
Sep 11, 2009 6:08 AM CST
I’m inexperienced - less than one year practicing - and I’d rather make my “growing pains” mistakes with someone else’s name on the door. But I’ll be there someday. I’m thinking if I don’t make partner in 10 years I’ll go out on my own.
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Brian K
Sep 11, 2009 7:10 AM CST
I went solo two years ago after 25 years of firm practice. It works great, but only becauase (1) While in the firm, I developed my own client base in an identifiable market; (2) my client base was not shared by the firm, or even valued by it; and (3) I work harder now than I have ever worked before, but it wears me down much less. I would never counsel a young lawyer without an alternative income source tor a really good book of business to go solo, not just because of the financial issues, but becuase ofd the learning curve issues identified by several people already. As a solo, though, you can network with others, who usually are willing to advise, or even hire others as contract lawyers to handle things you don’t feel comfortable with. A solo practice is not just a miniature Big Firm, it is completely its own creature—and a creature of its owner alone.
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Me
Sep 11, 2009 7:11 AM CST
The type work available to solos..e.g., municipal, traffic tickets, etc. as opposed to more sophisticated matters that typically go to firms with more resources.
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John Davidson
Sep 11, 2009 7:53 AM CST
Absolutely nothing stopped me. I just did it and after almost 4 years I’m still here. I think having an MBA helped as well as being over 50 when I started.
Sometimes ignorance is possibilities. If you don’t know you can’t then you probably can.
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MCR
Sep 11, 2009 7:56 AM CST
I work for a solo. He’s been a solo for maybe three years now. I’ve been here for almost two. He convinced me I could go back to school and be a paralegal and I have and he has helped so much. But, watching him stress over finances and still want to be able to help people is hard. He truly believes everyone should be able to hire a lawyer when they need one. The thickest air in the office is when I try to nail him down to do billing or he’s trying to figure out how to bill someone we pretty much know cant afford to walk in the door. He wants to let people have a payment plan or discount here and there. He accepted a position with a company as EX. V.P. He’s taking me with him. Job security, steady income. I agree with #11, be prepared.
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Leddie
Sep 11, 2009 8:03 AM CST
No money to start. How does anyone start a practice out of lawschool? Take on more debt? How do you learn the mechanics of running a practice? Bank accounts? credit cards? what to charge? flat fee or not? when can you afford to hire an assistant/secretary? Is working from home really an option? what about “virtual offices”?
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Lex
Sep 11, 2009 8:24 AM CST
And to add to #20, what about the question raised in the introduction. How do you find the appropriate mentors, who may have their own practices to feed . . . especially if you were a part-time student who never had the advantage of clerking becaseu you already had a full-time job?
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greg
Sep 11, 2009 8:34 AM CST
Going solo is tough - I know, I’ve done it. It requires constant vigilance, and a lot - LOT - of work. I did it straight out of law school, and wouldn’t recommend it. I also did it on a shoestring, and wouldn’t recommend that, either.
If you go solo, have about $25,000 in savings. You’ll need it, especially if you don’t have a book of business. You’ll need to advertise, advertise, advertise. Then you’ll need to network. And keep doing it, even when you’re swamped, because when you don’t the work dries up.
As one of my friends said, “I’m self-employed. That means I can work an 90 hours a week I choose.” He wasn’t kidding.
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Pittsburgh
Sep 11, 2009 8:45 AM CST
My fears stem from inexperience. I’m a very young attorney and I love to go to bat for my few personal clients. If I went out on my own and got sued for malpractice or disbarred - I’d have no way to pay off my loans. The legal profession is a modern form of indentured servitude. (And yes I realize I made the ill advised decision to go to law school)
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KJS
Sep 11, 2009 9:28 AM CST
I have a great job for the gov’t, but still feel the pull to go solo every now and then. I don’t because it would mean too many sacrifices. In my life now, my family (incl two young kids) has a nice house, little farm, enough $ to do the things we want (not enough to go rich-people crazy on, but I don’t have to sweat the cost if my kids want to check out the latest Disney On Ice show).
Comfortable. But, I’m the primary earner. I make 2/3 of the family income. So if I went solo, I would have to reliably replace my income at nearly the same level. Or, we’d have to sell the farm & move the family to a much lower cost-of-living area, where we would have to buy a much smaller house and forego a lot of creature comforts.
I’m not willing to do the latter, and have no reason to expect that I’d be able to achieve the former, so I continue to commute and sacrifice the chance to “be my own boss.”
I hope to be able to give my kids the financial safety net to take a chance, try crazy things. I want them to have the luxury of being able to try & fail, instead of having to avoid failure (and the chance for great success!) at all costs. In short, I hope they learn to do as I wish I could, not as I do.
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Deb Severson
Sep 11, 2009 9:30 AM CST
1. Client base (or lack thereof; aka “book of business”)
2. Cash flow
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PubliusEsq
Sep 11, 2009 10:03 AM CST
The 40,000 new law grads each year entering into the teeth of a ferocious employment market contraction should easily be able to hit the ground running in their new solo practices, especially if they are real go getters, The same for the thousands of newly unemployed lawyers, considering the prospects for economic expansion in the foreseeable future. And its not like the legal employment and solo market was ruthlessly competitive before the economic collapse. Is there any problem with my basic math skills here?
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IndyLaw
Sep 11, 2009 10:07 AM CST
The ONLY thing that has kept me from going solo is having $100 in student loans. If it weren’t for that, I could set up an office and leisurely work my way up and through the process. But when Sallie Mae sends her henchmen after you with baseball bats, you have little choice.
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Kevin
Sep 11, 2009 10:25 AM CST
Everybody is talking about why not to go solo. I disagree. I started my own practice straight out of law school. I have had no trouble finding clients, I just run an ad in the local newspaper. I have gotten some good cases; I have been able to do contract work for other lawyers to keep a steady cash flow and I have earned enough money in the few months I have been in practice to pay all my bills (both personal and business expenses) in full on time and put some away in savings. Of course, if you work for a firm, you will earn more money in the first few years than I will, but there is something to be said for being your own boss. I don’t have anybody telling me what to do. I don’t have any billable hour requirements. If I want to take off on a Friday afternoon and go play golf, I can do that. So, the reduced income is worth the work-life balance to me.
Also, since my earning potential is unlimited, I expect that after three or four years, I will be making substantially more money in my own practice than attorneys working for small or medium sized law firms.
The KEY is good planning. Not anybody can just go out and rent an office and think they will make it. You MUST have a good business plan. In my case, I was able to rent an office from an established attorney here in town who is training me. I get referrals from the local bar association’s pro bono legal assistance group, who send me fee generating work from people who for whatever reason do not qualify for their legal assistance.
I also market myself like crazy. As I stated, I run an ad in the local newspaper and yellow pages. I joined the local Rotary club. I hand out my card to everybody I meet.
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Solo & Makin' it
Sep 11, 2009 11:08 AM CST
After 3+ years at Big Law, I left to go solo in 1991, during the last great legal recession…good timing, huh? So I am 18+ years at this gig. I had ZERO client’s, plenty of student loans when I left, no idea what I was doing as a solo, etc., and my area of practice, transactional work, had simply dried up. But I knew I had to make a change, so I worked very hard to learn other areas of law until the transactional work started to come back a few years into my solo journey.
It has been a terrific adventure, with lots of ups and no shortage of downs, and many interesting cases and clients. My hard work paid off and my experience has been quite good as I have built a succesful practice. In turn I have mentored many lawyers, and non-lawyers, who went on to open their own businesses…...and therein lies the KEY: when you are a solo, you are a businessperson first, and a lawyer second. Never forget that! As each solo knows, and many Comments above point out, you need to do it all, especially at the beginning. I recommend that you have a business plan (even a simple one), a budget, and working capital to accomplish your BP. Finding a niche really helps, then “brand” yourself.
Oh, and the hard work NEVER stops: get the work, do the work, get more work, handle firm operations….... It’s not for everyone, for certain, and I believe it is much more difficult to do today than it was 18 years ago. But at least for me, and several of my contemporaries, its worked out. BTW, Nos. 8, 16 and 20, make very good points, too.
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Pogo
Sep 11, 2009 11:36 AM CST
I went solo straight out of law school because no one was hiring “old rebel” law students 15 years ago. God forbid my tattoos showed or I wore my motorcycle leathers to a job or I used wheelchair. I picked up contracts to do criminal defense, Indian law practice on tribal nations and whatever else I could find. After four years with a successful practice, I accepted a position as a tribal judge. Four years later I went to work for the state government. Almost four years of that drove me nuts between the bureaucracy and the overwhelming case load. I went back to being a sole practitioner and limited my practice to family law with an emphasis in Indian Law issues and military issues in family law.
I didn’t have the luxury of getting student loans during law school and had to work my way through. No debt there because I was raised not to take on debt. (Depression Era parents.) Have I struggled? Yes. But I learned so much more than I ever could have at a large law firm. Yes, you have to be your own paralegal, secretary and receptionist in the beginning. If you can’t handle that then you are at a true disadvantage. Hopefully you will learn just how hard those positions are so that you really appreciate what your staff can do for you. You will learn how to adequately bill for your services and how to keep expenses down. You will learn from failures and triumphs. You will find mentors among other sole practitioners. But you alone will control your own destiny, not some one else who does not have your best interests at the core of their being.
As for me, I can fly my 33 year old tattoos in my office and if clients can’t handle that I don’t need them. I can hang my Viet Nam artwork on the walls and have my motorcyle and race car collectibles on the shelves. And I don’t have to worry about some boss telling me what is and is not appropriate behavior, atmosphere, etc. in the “legal profession”. Legal rebel? I was a rebel long before I hit the legal profession. And I don’t plan on changing.
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Charles Rendina
Sep 11, 2009 11:50 AM CST
Ths is so depressing. I hate reading it.
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Adam
Sep 11, 2009 12:12 PM CST
The single biggest thing is state regulation of lawyers. As a DC lawyer living in Maryland, I’m considering opening a consulting firm in which I could offer some legal services. But do I set the consulting business up in DC or just get shared office space there? I know I need a moonlighting malpractice policy on my DC license but the underwriting is a headache. And I’m not sure whether I can use an IOLTA trust account to take retainers on my consulting work. If I lived in DC or took the attorneys’ exam in Maryland, I would certainly eliminate some of the headaches but neither is a possibility in the short term. In the end, I will choose a position on the status of the law and its effect on me, document it, and start my practice. All of this is just slowing me down.
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AG
Sep 11, 2009 1:07 PM CST
I’m not a BigLaw attorney—I’ve been practicing for four years and have trial experience in criminal and family law. Currently work at a non-profit org doing mostly family law. I love my area of law and think I could make a decent living continuing in this area of law, as I could probably get on some panels for criminal law, juvenile delinquency, guardian ad litem, abuse and neglect work in my area. However, what holds me back is Fear (to be perfectly honest).
Two kinds of fear, really. I’m afraid that I don’t have enough saved financially and won’t be able to support my family, at least initially.
Secondly, I"m afraid that I will be overwhelmed by the responsibilities of my own practice. I work 9-5 basically now, and know that with my own practice I’ll have to put in many more hours than that. I wonder if I really have what it takes.
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JN
Sep 11, 2009 4:52 PM CST
If you are psychologically meant to go solo, you will. If not, you might still do it, but you shouldn’t. I have been solo for 12 years and would not have it any other way.
As an example, I worked for 6 years with an attorney who should NEVER be a solo. Before anything he did went out the door, I had to review it, and vice versa. I did not want anything I did double-checked by someone else if I was confident that I had it right. He was a great attorney and is still a good friend, but our personalities were opposite.
I agree with those who advise working for a firm first to gain experience and background in the law before going solo. For me, 6 years was right; for others it might be more or less.
I disagree with those who say that solos can not handle sophisticated matters and must limit themselves to “municipal, traffic tickets, etc.” I represent small and large businesses (including Fortune 500 companies), as well as individuals. It is all about having the expertise (and the confidence of your client) to handle a specific case.
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Lisa Solomon
Sep 11, 2009 7:27 PM CST
Like my colleagues and friends, Susan Cartier Liebel and Carolyn Elefant, I have also been accused of being a cheerleader for solo practice (in my case, solo practice as a freelance contract lawyer).
#5’s comments are similar to many posted by bitter, negative commenters on blogs like Above the Law, who prefer to blame others for their misfortunes rather than dust themselves off and move forward in any positive manner (not necessarily as a solo). Nobody forces any Solo Practice University student to enroll. Students can sample the offerings by enrolling from month-to-month, or pay quarterly or yearly, and upgrade or downgrade their memberships at any time.
Businesses of any kind that don’t provide value for the money can rightly be accused of “milking” their customers. While, as with any business, I’m sure there are some SPU students who don’t re-up after their initial membership expires, I’d be shocked if any students feel “milked.” (No, I’m not an SPU student, but I follow SPU closely and have seen discussions of both its pros and cons).
A few commenters (9, 23) say that malpractice concerns contribute to their fear about going solo. Umm, that’s what professional liability insurance is for, and it’s not really that expensive (especially compared to rates for other professionals, like doctors). #9’s reference to a disbarred friend is a separate issue: malpractice may (but doesn’t always) accompany ethics issues. Besides, wouldn’t you have the same concerns if you were working for a firm? If the difference is that, in a firm, your co-workers and/or bosses will presumably catch your mistakes, then the answer is to find a mentor and/or colleague to bounce ideas off.
#10: “funneling” student loans into math and science isn’t going to convince someone who wants to go to law school for the right reasons (i.e., to be a practicing lawyer or otherwise use a law degree, as opposed to not knowing what else to do upon college graduation) to be a scientist or computer programmer.
The decision to go solo - or to start any other kind of entrepreneurial venture - can be a scary one. Carolyn Elefant, author of Solo by Choice: How to Be the Lawyer You Always Wanted to Be and long-time blogger at MyShingle.com is particularly insightful about the psychological and interpersonal issues surrounding the decision to go solo and life as a solo practitioner.
For #20 and #21, in addition to Solo By Choice and MyShingle, I highly recommend the ABA GP|Solo Division’s Solosez listserve, which you can find at http://www.abanet.org/soloseznet/index.html. With over 3,500 members - including experienced solos in all practice areas - Solosez members mentor each other daily (and there are frequent discussions about how to find local, in-person mentors).
There are also a number of other excellent blogs about solo practice, such as Chuck Newton Rides the Third Wave (http://stayviolation.typepad.com/). With all of the free and low-cost resources available to solos and potential solos today, there’s never been a better time to make the decision to go solo and to start a solo practice (it’s light-years away from the days when prospective solos stole Jay Foonberg’s classic How to Start and Build a Law Practice from law school libraries).
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Carolyn Elefant
Sep 11, 2009 9:23 PM CST
#32, Adam - be very careful about Maryland rules. Maryland is very strict about UPL, and if you are not licensed in Maryland, I would not advise that you take a chance with a Maryland office. [SEE MD Opinion 2005-07 (2/17/05)
A group of lawyers who lease office space in Maryland but are not licensed to previous hitpracticenext hit in Maryland are engaging in the previous hitunauthorizednext hit previous hitpracticenext hit of law, even though their previous hitpracticenext hit is limited to federal law and they prominently note on their letterhead, business cards, and office door that they are not licensed in Maryland. Opinions 94-13, 99-20, 99-8, 2002-19; Rules 5.5, 7.1, 7.5, 8.5.]
I practiced in DC for 8 years before I moved to a home office in Maryland, but until I took the practitioners’ exam, I maintained a virtual address in DC so that I would not be viewed as running a practice in Maryland. I know that you are focused on some kind of consulting business, but unless it is 100 % non-legal related, then you are best off getting a VO in DC if you don’t want to take the practitioners’ exam. As for malpractice, I recommend CNA - they offer very affordable part time plans—around $200-$600 annually—for many practice areas and in general, I’ve found their rates to be 20-30 percent less than many of the bar’s preferred providers. For IOLTA, take a look at the DC rules (you may not need IOLTA if you aren’t providing legal services) and also contact Dan Mills, the DC Bar practice manager who was just profiled in this month’s issue of the Bar magazine (the DC bar also offers monthly starting a law firm boot camps; I think they are free or very cheap)
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PubliusEsq
Sep 11, 2009 10:29 PM CST
Funneling government backed loans from law schools into other more productive and economically necessary academic areas will deter many people from entering law school if they cannot get the government backed loans they need. Government resources should not be used to create a superfluous amount of lawyers, many with poor or no job prospects and a debt load certain to make them miserable, or certain to make them default at taxpayer expense. If the loans were rationed so that only enough law students went to law school as the legal profession needed and could employ, then entrance qualifications for law school would increase and law school tuition would decrease, reulting in better prepared, less indebted lawyers.
Posters 35 and 36 seem to be operating in a vacuum. It is a mistake to misjudge realism as bitterness. It is also tragic and callus that neither post addresses, for whatever reasons, the pain that many members of their profession are going through because of innaccurate or fraudulent legal employment statistics, high indebtedness and poor or no job prospects in a collapsed economy. They would do better by taking the subject head on and proposing solutions, instead of ducking the question because they have no solutions to offer. Instead of blaming the individual as a failure why not examine the substance and basis of their claim. Especially now with thousands of lawyers having been layed off over the last year and mnay positions being permanently terminated, never to return, and an economy that is projected to add very few private sector jobs for a few, if not several, years. How can these issues not be addressed at all when some of the most significant issues facing solos are competition from other solos and small firms and high debt levels?
Conditions now are certainly far different than they were 17 years ago.
A positive and optimistic attitude are fine attributes but should be tempered with a healthy dose of realism, less they cause more harm than good.
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Susan Cartier Liebel
Sep 12, 2009 8:34 AM CST
Publius, Esq.,
The issues you present in your post are not being ignored or rejected. What you are stating is true. The law schools have failed miserably in their jobs because their agendas have been quite different then their paying customers. No one is arguing with you on this. You are looking for the argument to be validation. Consider yourself validated. Your points are sound. The profession is in crisis.
However, it doesn’t help the individual who is miserable to simply say, ‘yes, I understand’ and not offer an opportunity to do something about it. My goal is not to fix decades of broken institutions or corrupt agendas or supply and demand issues or tell the ABA not to accredit any more law schools.
My goal is to help those who want to find a way to make their educations work for them in the environment as it exists today. Once they’ve learned how to feed themselves (if they want to go solo) they’ll have the strength to take on these challenges and possibly make a difference.
I get the reality, trust me. I’ve been railing against this for 17 years. It was finally time for me to do something instead of just spitting into the wind and that’s why SPU exists. This is my contribution…but it moves people forward.
There is a whole cultural and economic shift happening in this world far larger than the legal profession. Overall, everyone’s lives are going to change. What was, promises made, expectations we’ve had…we are all going to have to rewrite our scripts in every aspect of our lives. Our careers will be no different. Those who recognize it now and get a jumpstart will be better for it.
Realism? I’m swimming in it..just choosing not to drown in it.
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Michael
Sep 12, 2009 9:26 AM CST
Nothing is holding me back. Indeed, I’m set to go in a few months.
Follow me at fasttxdivorce.com/blog.
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Carolyn Elefant
Sep 12, 2009 10:02 AM CST
Poster 37 - I am not sure how I (Poster 36) or my colleague Lisa Solomon (Poster 35) are operating in a vacuum, at least based on our comments here. We responded directly to questions and issues that had been raised. In Lisa’s case, she offered resources and a practical solution to fears of malpractice (i.e., - getting malpractice insurance). In my response, I offered a detailed answer to #32 Adam’s question, even citing specific Maryland Ethics opinion regarding his question.
As for the broader question of why I haven’t addressed the pain of those who haven’t been able to find jobs, if you read the mission of MyShingle or my site, you would see that I do. One reason why I began to advocate for solo practice (and it is different from Susan’s which is fine because solos are not monolithic) is because I witnessed many talented lawyers leaving the law either because they couldn’t find jobs, wanted to spend time with family or felt that they were sleepwalking through their jobs. Seeing this talent drain from the profession as well as the pervasive dis-satisfaction seemed like a terrible waste and as a result, my goal has been to try to convince others to consider solo practice as an option and to make it a viable choice for those who seek to stay in the law.
Unfortunately, my sympathy isn’t going to help contract lawyers find permanent employment. And to be honest, I have never taken law schools to task for “failure to disclose” because I’m not sure how much of a difference it will make. When I applied to law school 20 years ago, I wanted to get a job (I did not share Susan’s entrepreneurial spirit back then). So I only applied to a handful of top tier schools because I knew that if I went anywhere lower, I was less likely to find a job and I would be wasting my money. I was not a particularly sophisticated customer back then but if I was able to do a rudimentary ROI calculation, I’m not sure why it eluded so many others unless they are not all being completely honest.
But even assume that many were duped by misleading statistics in the past. Now, the is state of the legal job market is well publicized through constant coverage in the legal press and even mainstream media like NYT. Yet even so, law school applications are INCREASING!!! That is completely insane.
For the sake of argument, I’ll concede the as many as 50 percent of past students were mislead by false statistics. However, I also think that many students are falsely optimistic and would have gone to law school even in the face of discouraging employment stats because they would figure “Well, I’m different” or “I’ll be one of those who gets a job.” That’s what I find most ironic about the criticism aimed at the so-called “cheerleaders” - we are accused of not facing reality, when in fact, probably half of the people in their current situation (not all, but a good half) failed to consider reality when they applied to law school.
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PubliueEsq
Sep 12, 2009 10:56 AM CST
38 & 40: well said. My hope is that the dissemination of employment conditions, and ackknowledgement of those conditions, within the profession will eventually result in a reformation of the law school admission process, from disclosure to student loan backing, to avoid the waste, fraud and harm that currently permeates the system The momentum must come from practicing attorneys because the leadership of the profession is too calcified or self interested to act. And I agree that wallowing in despair is not a solution and action must be taken.
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MikeG
Sep 12, 2009 12:44 PM CST
I worked for a solo all throughout law school, and just graduated in 2008. I knew since then that I wanted to take my practice in that direction, but uncertainty and debt kept me looking for more stable work. That work has not materialized in the form of job postings or interviews for young lawyers, so I finally decided that rather than sitting on the couch for another year, I was going to start doing something with my time. I’ve also been watching all of my friends get axed from their Big Law, and not so big law, jobs, so job security clearly does not exist these days for young lawyers. Rather than jump in full steam, I’ve decided to wade in a bit while still keeping my options open for other positions. Within a month, I already had 7 clients of various matters.
I’ve always considered myself more of a businessperson than a lawyer, and that’s what excites me about having my own practice. I also tend to get bored with certain subjects real easily, so the constantly changing nature of my case load should keep me interested. It’s definitely been enjoyable researching all these new issues because I have all the time in the world right now. I also consider myself an excellent networker. I sign up for every free or cheap CLE, informational session, and happy hour at the local bar association so that I can learn new material and meet new people. There’s also a great volunteer organization here that has cases from every possible practice area and provides mentors. Through them, I picked up a case pending trial in federal court, and I’ve had a mentor guiding me through. Finally, I do contract work for other solos I’ve met to supplement my income and time, while also allowing them to teach me new stuff, and, since I’ve maintained a good relationship with people from law school, so they refer people to me that can’t afford the rates of their big firms. My friends in big firms aren’t getting close to this type of experience.
Do I worry about the money? Every second of every day. But the reality is that the legal profession has gone through a radical change in the past year, and rather than sitting around broke and gaining no experience, I’ve decided to try my lot at going solo and see how it shakes out. I just try to be ever mindful of my expenses and constantly try to network and learn more. I think confidence is the key, and I’m confident that while it won’t be easy, I can make it work.
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B. McLeod
Sep 13, 2009 12:49 AM CST
Amen, Pogo. Amen.
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brian Michaels
Sep 13, 2009 2:28 PM CST
Ditto to what #11 said. It doesn’t take a failed economy and job loss to be the right time to go solo. Were not all chronically unemployed. I left a stable government job 7 years because I walled out and my learning curve was over. I went solo, with some savings.
I had the same experience as #11. I dont take areas high in malpractice, charge flat fees, and my income and freedom has grown year after year. Now…I don’t have to worry about job loss and my income, while not as good as it was two years is still enough to get me by.
I went to law school so I could be my own boss. No time like the present.
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Curtis
Sep 18, 2009 10:31 AM CST
As someone who converted from engineering to law, I can honestly say that #10 is mistaken. I have been an engineer and was a no kidding rocket scientist (I designed satellites and launch systems). My decision to enter the law was based on a long standing desire and was made recognizing the negative ROI (high cost, loss of income during and after law school). Everyone had the opportunity to make the same calculation (it is NOT rocket science).
I was a DoD attorney for a decade or so and then went solo nine months ago. It is not all sunshine and roses. I am working my tail off and the cash flow has taken a while to develop. I carried the firm for the first six months, it has carried itself for the past three months, and it looks like it will start to pay off in the next three months. The reality is, this is a very accellerated cycle for a small business. Most small businesses are negative cash flow propositions for the first year or two and many fail in the first five years. Being a small business owner is not for everyone, lawyer or not.
The best part of being solo is that I can choose to take on clients who need help with a case I believe in but can’t afford it (at a discount or pro bono), and the only person who can question the decision is my wife. I also can adjust my practice into areas where I am interested and refer out those cases where I do not have an interest or expertise. It also doesn’t hurt to be able to attend the occasional parent conference or lunch date with my daughter.
The biggest challenge has been learning to do all the paralegal and administrative assistant tasks (e.g., file complaints/answers with the clerk’s office, arrange for process servers). It did not help that I started up in a new state (which meant taking that states bar and learning a whole new set of procedural rules). I discovered very quickly that I knew the law and knew how the system worked, but I did not know how to work the system!
Going solo is hard. Going solo is a risk. Going solo is the best decision I ever made. Give me a set of pom poms, I’ll joing the cheer squad but…none of you wants to see me in a pleated skirt :-)
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JME
Sep 18, 2009 11:08 AM CST
I graduated in 2008 at age 54. Nobody was going to hire me and I knew it. I found a small town in need of an attorney. I had no money, but got $5000 borrowed from a family member to get the office open and basic needs. Professor channeled a great client to me, got walk-ins, a couple at first, then a few more. Built a website, paid to get listed at Lawyers.com and Nolo, other search sites, and the jobs are slowly coming in. Nearly one year complete now. No debt to the firm, paying my bills monthly. No savings yet, some stuff in the trust account I haven’t billed yet, and yes, I do a lot of petty work, but it pays, my clients like me, and they send more to me. It helps that my parents are still alive and promised I would never be homeless, so as I build my practice, they keep shelter over my head. You can start a practice with nothing, but it helps to have strong family support, and professors who are willing to sit down with you, even during the school year. And, the Dean of my law school is the best in his league.
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Charlie
Sep 18, 2009 1:36 PM CST
I read this question as “what HELD you back from going solo?” A few months ago I was laid off from my job as a BigLaw associate. I enjoyed the type of law I practiced (commercial litigation) but not the hours and demands and pressure. I was unsure what to do next. My good friend had been dreaming about going solo for some time, so he tried to persuade me to go out with him.
I spent a lot of time researching it – I read How to Start and Build a Law Practice, I read Ms. Cartier Liebel’s blog, etc. That helped convince me that going solo was not for me, at least not yet, at this point in my career. I also saw a lot of differences between my friend and me which made me realize that going solo isn’t for everyone, just like working in BigLaw isn’t for everyone.
Of course there were the financial concerns – my friend’s wife is an engineer who makes a lot of money, they don’t have kids or plan to, and his way through college and law school was paid for him. I am the primary supporter and my spouse and I plan to have children. To me the financial concerns are great and I don’t think they should be poo-poo’ed. In the end the money issue wasn’t dispositive for me because I had severance pay I could use as start-up money and I truly believe that if I want something bad enough and work hard for it enough, I will be successful in it. So I’ll move on to the reasons that DID become dispositive.
My friend had been a public defender and wanted to defend routine criminal cases like DWIs and petty theft etc. This would be my idea of hell! Opening a law firm was an adventure for him (due to his financial position) whereas it would need to be a livelihood for me. He saw it as a way out of having to bill hours or work for someone else. I saw it as hard work both as an attorney and a business person. I do not know much about business and at this point in my life I am very happy to be focusing on the law and I want to learn all I can about practicing law, not running a business.
I took a job with a small firm that does commercial litigation. I feel fortunate that my BigLaw connections/credentials helped me get a good job in this market. The new firm doesn’t pay as well as the BigLaw firm but it pays very well for the market, the hours are better and the environment is much more laid-back. My friend also had the opportunity to work for a firm and I encouraged him to do so for a few years to gain experience, connections and clients, telling him what it would be like for him based on my research if he went solo now.
He went out on his own and I wish him the best. But I get frustrated because he constantly complains to me about how few clients he has, and is always asking me to help him with the few civil cases he does have. He brags about getting to leave work at 3 but then complains that he has more business expenses than income and he’s glad his wife has agreed to support him while he gets his business up and running.
I support Ms. Cartier Liebel in her efforts to help attorneys who already know that they want or need to go solo. But for the person who is unsure, I would give you the same advice I gave my buddy. Don’t do it unless it is your dream and your passion, unless you have researched it thoroughly and are willing to work very hard. If all of that is true, I think you will be successful. But if you’re unsure and you have the opportunity to get training and a paycheck from a senior attorney or a firm, in my opinion, in this market you are lucky to have that opportunity and you should take it! When you have complaints about billable hours or working for the Man or whatever, just remember that all jobs have their downsides, and going solo would come with a bunch of things to complain about too. And also remember that you can always go solo later, there’s no harm in waiting and in my opinion, only good things, like more money saved, more potential clients, and less risks, will come of it. Good luck to you solos and everyone else out there in this crappy job market.
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