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A Lawyer Finds Office Casual Is Still Rather Dressy
Posted Apr 17, 2008 7:28 AM CST
By Debra Cassens Weiss
Office casual can be confusing enough. It can be even more difficult—and costly—for lawyers who change jobs and find themselves in a different fashion culture.
One lawyer who noted the changing office environments is Neonu Jewell, now an export compliance counsel with Accenture in Chicago. She told the Wall Street Journal that moving from one law firm or company to another can mean a costly new casual wardrobe.
When she worked at a Fortune 500 hospitality company, employees got around the ban on denim by wearing sweats. That casual attitude wasn’t allowed when she moved to a Washington law firm that even disapproved of open-toed shoes on summer Fridays. On business casual days at Accenture, Jewell often wears suits or nicely tailored pants and blouses.
The article offered its own business casual advice culled from interviews with wardrobe consultants. They said both women and men shouldn’t stray too far from traditional business attire. Men could go without a tie or could wear dress pants and a blazer instead of a suit. Women could wear pants, blouses with collars and unmatched jackets. Accessories should include well-made shoes and good watches.
“And no garden-party looks,” the article warns women, “like capri pants and sun dresses.” Also out are clingy and revealing clothes, high stiletto heels and bell-bottomed pants that make you look “like Charo."
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Comments
Some Lawyer
Apr 18, 2008 6:04 AM CST
I can’t believe attorneys would actually wear sweats, capri pants, or sun dresses to work.
Another Lawyer
Apr 18, 2008 6:26 AM CST
Well, it truly depends on where you work and the type of work you do. For example I work in a women survivor of domestic violence shelter, representing them in divorce cases, landlord-tenant etc… and on Fridays, unless I have to go to court or I am meeting a new client, I can wear pretty much anything I want except dirty or revealing clothes. I LOVE IT.
Madison
Apr 18, 2008 6:32 AM CST
“I can’t believe attorneys would actually wear sweats, capri pants, or sun dresses to work.”
I had an interview one time with two partners for an insurance defense firm. On partner was wearing khakis and an oxford button down with his tie hanging around his neck…not tied. The other partner—no lie—was wearing track pants and Under Armour.
I shall mention again, because this bears repeating, that this was for an interview.
It takes all sorts, I guess.
Small Town Attorney
Apr 18, 2008 6:49 AM CST
I work as an associate in a very very small town (under 10,000). And I did the same thing described here - I got reprimanded by the partners because I would occasionally wear dark, fitted jeans, a blouse, and blazer to work on days when I had no court or client appointments. The SAME WEEK a partner wore khakis and shoes without socks during an interview for a potential new hire. I subsequently bought a bunch of pull-on sweat pants cut like dress slacks and I still wear them every day I’m not in court. The truth is, smaller towns and smaller firms better realize they can’t expect designer suits and shoes, new cars, or swanky home addresses from their associates while paying them $40k. Especially if the partners themselves don’t adhere to the dress code.
voice of reason
Apr 18, 2008 6:58 AM CST
Unless you are heading to the gym, sweats should not be worn out of the house. EVER
Rob
Apr 18, 2008 7:13 AM CST
Sweats? One would think self-respect would make any formal ban on such attire unnecessary.
What's wrong with casual?
Apr 18, 2008 7:24 AM CST
Wouldn’t it depend at least in part on the likelihood that clients come by the office? An insurance defense firm never sees clients in the office. If you are not in court, and you are not going to see a client, what incentive is there to wear dress pants and a blazer? (Ahem…aside from the fact that attorneys often use wardrobe as a status symbol indicating their elite status and wealth.)
jerry s.
Apr 18, 2008 7:26 AM CST
Sweats? Have you just given up (like my friend George)?
William A. Wheatley
Apr 18, 2008 7:32 AM CST
There is a direct correlation between patterns of dress and work habits. People dressing sloppily tend to sloppy work. Casual dress begets a casual work ethic. In a firm in which people dress professionally, professional work is the result. This doesn’t mean that people with sloppy work habits dress sloppily—it is the other way around. Dressing professionally produces professional work. I work from my house most of the time. If I get up in the morning and dress professionally, even though no clients are going to come to the door, I produce more professional work.
Sara
Apr 18, 2008 7:36 AM CST
I went from working for a law firm in Baltimore to an in-house position in Florida and let me tell you - that has been a dress code change! Florida is more casual to begin with and then at the company I work for we have casual fridays where women show up in jeans, revealing tops, “garden-party” looks and the like. The men always wear golf shirts and khakis, regardless of the day.
Shannon
Apr 18, 2008 7:38 AM CST
It’s the elitist attitude towards casual clothing that irks me. People are free to wear whatever they like outside the office—who are you to judge? Clothing is used as a status symbol, and so if the office culture is into status, then it makes sense to have a stricter, more formal dress code. Clearly, business attire is often appropriate and necessary for professionalism, but don’t judge people who don’t want to be or wear a suit in their own free time.
What's wrong with casual?
Apr 18, 2008 7:41 AM CST
Wheatley - - Shinanigans. First of all, casual does not necessarily mean “sloppy.” Sloppy has more to do with cleanliness. A wrinkled dress shirt with stains is sloppier than a crisp t-shirt and clean jeans. Furthermore, correlation? Perhaps for you, but not for all. Some of the best briefs I’ve ever written have been worked on late at night in my house while in pajama pants. One of the best lawyers I’ve ever known was known to wear t-shirts, khakis and flip-flops when not in court. Professionalism is in the mind, not the wardrobe.
Christopher Smith
Apr 18, 2008 7:46 AM CST
As a rule of thumb, sweats should not be worn in the presence of a human being. Including the wearer.
Amy McCracken
Apr 18, 2008 8:06 AM CST
I once went to an interview at an insurance coverage law firm where one male partner wore walking shorts and sandals while the other male partner wore bike shorts (yes, the clingy kind that leave nothing to the imagination) and running shoes. Needless to say, I turned down their offer. While I like to dress casually as much as the next person, and I do not think what you wear reflects in the quality of your work, proper attire has its place. Well-fitting clean clothes that cover all the necessary parts, whether denim, knit or otherwise, have their place, even in the law firm environment. The more likely you are to be seen by clients or outsiders who would expect business attire, the dressier your work wardrobe should be. It does not matter whether it is YOUR client coming to the office, if your colleagues have clients coming, you should not embarrass them by being dressed inappropriately. For women, I think it is even harder to pursue a business casual wardrobe because you don’t want to be mistaken for a secretary. As for the advice given in the article, most of my dressiest blouses have no collars (and I am not a trend-setter by any imagination), so the advice is dated at best.
Ed Kelly
Apr 18, 2008 8:09 AM CST
Blazer and slacks for the first casual Friday. Look at what the partners and others are wearing and dress likewise the next Friday. Its pretty simple. You’re new…blend in. You can switch to your motorcycle gang’s leathers after you leave the office.
confused law student
Apr 18, 2008 8:15 AM CST
Perhaps I am revealing my naivete, but would a firm wiht a more casual dress code mind if an associate dressed professionally? It seems to me that doing so would reduce the costs of any future job change, and I don’t know why a firm would mind if a person were to dress as an adult is supposed to dress.
casual in the South
Apr 18, 2008 8:20 AM CST
Please! In my office, nobody wears a suit unless you’re going to court. Actually, I’m typing this in tailored capris and a nice knit top from Ann Taylor, and I really don’t think my brief is going to suffer as a result. If anything, it may be better because I’m comfortable. What I find interesting is how closely related this clothing debate seems to be to the larger big/small firm debate that has heated up recently. The most important thing is to know your client base and market, and dress accordingly. To do otherwise- to dress, for example, in an Armani suit, heels, and hose while viewing a tire dump- would be unprofessional.
James
Apr 18, 2008 8:25 AM CST
Our Clients all dress in khakis or dress slacks, golf shirts, and loafers; we always dress for first meetings and send emails around for “full dress days”; but we “warn” clients that on none-visitor days, we dress casually; our associates appreciate not having the expense of wearing suits every day, particularly in the south; button down, khaki and loafers get admitted to our private club downtown in a bank building, ad this is our dress code; our female associates have always been fashionistas, so they have always been well dressed, but I think all businesses need a dress code for the ones that want to push the bottom of the envelope; I have bigger problems with the “half shaved” look than with casual dress; even an attorney in a suit with half a beard looks slovenly in my opinion.
Mr. Manimal
Apr 18, 2008 8:58 AM CST
I work for a big name NYC firm and as I write this I am wearing stilettos, my leather motorcycle chaps, a rather revealing peasant blouse and am sporting the “half shaved” look. As a cosmopolitan man about town, it’s important for me to be comfortable AND show everyone who I am! So long as I bill my 3,000 hours this year, everything’s cool.
Ben
Apr 18, 2008 9:05 AM CST
I’m a suit guy myself but come on y’all - sweats ain’t necessarily the grey baggies that Rocky made famous. We may be talking fly threads costing plenty. And doesn’t the ‘respect’ aspect depend on your clientele? As Ali G says, “R’spect!”
Dan
Apr 18, 2008 9:06 AM CST
WTF people… just put on a suit already. Are you all 12? This is a job, not a picnic.
Casual dress: More proof the baby boomer generation has ruined America.
Jennifer
Apr 18, 2008 9:30 AM CST
The importance or lack thereof of professional clothing is entirely about the perception it presents. Many people have commented that professional clothes produce professional work. This is true if the person wearing the clothes makes a mental connection with the type of dress and the activity they are performing, but means nothing if that mental connection isn’t there. The type of clothes we wear at work should depend on the situation. Clients like to see their attorney in a suit when they visit the office because that is how the public believes “real” lawyers dress, so it inspires confidence. In other situations however, such as a building site investigation, when an attorney arrives in jeans, a client sees that he/she is prepared to crawl into a building and look at what the experts are looking at, which also inspires confidence. A suit, in that circumstance, would not be appropriate.
As a side note, pants should not be considered “casual only” for women, if that is what the fashion consultants are implying. At least in my opinion, pants are far more professional than skirts for either gender (both as suits or separates).
Carol T
Apr 18, 2008 9:30 AM CST
Mr Manimal, thanks for your posting - such a great image - it made me laugh! It finally feels like spring up here in Canada and we all are in the mood for a laugh!
PS nonetheless, as a female partner in a large corporate firm, I vote for more professional dress. On casual Fridays, this means tailored pants, blouse/sweater, some sort of jacket option. As a colleague once said - the kind of stuff that costs as much as a suit.
Mike
Apr 18, 2008 9:34 AM CST
Dan - what are you, 80? Every other industry wears bus cas. Get with the times. I have news - no one cares about designer suits. Formal dress has its place, but it’s on the way out
Christopher Smith
Apr 18, 2008 10:10 AM CST
Which half of the beard?
S. Smith
Apr 18, 2008 10:12 AM CST
The more interesting aspect to this debate would be an age function as well as a large firm/small firm function. Applying that criteria would be 90% correct on each comment. Just look at number 23. Female partner, large firm…equals dressy. Small firm, and I own it,,,then dress anyway I like. Two opposite ends of the spectrum.
IP Guy
Apr 18, 2008 10:22 AM CST
Wow. I’m shocked. I feel sorry for all of you that have to compete based on the fanciness of your apparel. Patent attorney culture is much different. Can anyone say jeans and a t-shirt?
eagerfirstyear
Apr 18, 2008 10:25 AM CST
Frankly my dears, if I have to be in a suit to make $160K a year, I will gladly be in that suit.
Doctors have to wear uniforms (scrubs and the perenial telescope), as do waitresses (who make significantly less). The suit is the uniform of the attorney. And to be even more candid, wearing a suit means one less thing I have to worry about. When my mind is swirling with court dates, motions to be writtern etc, figuring out what cute (but appropriate blouse) goes with what color dress or slacks is not where I want to delegate my brain energy. I would rather wake up, pick one of my tailored suit (get them done on your next vacation in Thailand for a pittance!!) and the customary hose and black shoes and be out the door.
In an often-times chaotic world, the stability and predictability of a suit has its charms, and those are greater than the so-called “comfort” of business casual. In fact, I feel more uncomfortable with business casual, as it is always a guess as to whether one is wearing the appropriate fashions etc., whereas who can mistake the timeless elegance of a well-tailored suit?
Chicago 2L
Apr 18, 2008 10:25 AM CST
This is why I want to go JAG. Cammies are comfortable AND stylish.
Me
Apr 18, 2008 10:45 AM CST
I work in a small firm in Orange County, but represent HUGE clients. When we know there is a client coming to the office, we send out an email specifying what type of dress should be adopted on that day (formal, business casual, etc). Every other day, it’s jeans and sneakers. As one of the associates put it to me when I was interviewing, “law is stressful enough, why add to it by wearing uncomfortable clothes and worrying about dressing up every day?”
Law Student in Madison
Apr 18, 2008 11:25 AM CST
Chicago 2L:
You won’t be wearing cammo in the courtroom my friend! I guarantee you that military uniforms are much less comfortable than regular suits. Trust me, I’ve worn them all!
As for the whole casual/professional attire in the workplace, I think we all just need to exercise GOOD judgment. I have worked at places that allow jeans anyday of the week and others that expect at least a coat.
What I think is surprising for my generation is that we tend to think casual means “come dressed as you dress when sitting around at home.” It does not! Casual, or even business casual, can still be comfortable.
However, many firms and businesses do emphasize dress codes way too much! Who cares if you wear jeans on Friday? I can wear jeans and look more professional and “put together” than most people in a $2000 suit!
THERE HAS TO BE A GOOD BALANCE SOMEWHERE! In the meantime, steer clear of sweats!
R
Apr 18, 2008 11:27 AM CST
I normally wear either slacks and shirts bought at T.J. Maxx or Ross, or used suits bought at eBay. My favorite used suit is a Hugo Boss suit that I got for $40 plus shipping - didn’t even have to take it to the tailor. My ties are also all $10 or less - at T.J. Maxx or Ross. Spending more than that seems silly in my opinion since, after all, it’s just a uniform.
We have Friday casual when I can wear nice jeans and a sportshirt, but I always keep a white shirt, blazer, tie, blue slacks, belt and dress shoes in a bag at the office in case of an emergency court appearance.
What I find funny are all those ads in the men’s magazines with the 20-something models wearing $3,000 suits but unshaven. How many male lawyers get away with the three-day unshaven look?
ssalas
Apr 18, 2008 11:56 AM CST
I’m not sure I understood the open-toe thing. I just bought my open-toe shoes for business, to wear with suits or slacks. I just don’t see the problem with an open-toe when the more pressing issue is that I’m standing taller than most of the men (at 5’11” w/ the shoes) and they’re busier trying to keep eye contact than checking to see if a toe is showing. The open toe doesn’t really bear on my professional presence. So why the mention? Any explanations? Besides this, a few months ago, there was an article also criticizing casual dress (yoga pants, etc) and the interviewees in that article implied that the ethic for attorneys is expensive designer suits, which I have seen here in Detroit also in funky bimboes calling new associates sweetie and darling while talking on their cell phones and carrying a massive reptile bag. I don’t have any problem with suits, in fact I really like them—it’s kind of a framework to get creative in, like wearing a sleeveless shell during the summer only if I’m alone but if anyone else is present, then I put the jacket on. But why is showing my toe a problem?
Midwest balance
Apr 18, 2008 12:33 PM CST
Today is casual Friday at my mid-sized, Midwest firm. I have on a pair of light khaki cords and sweater set with fairly casual leather flats. Pearl earrings dress it up a notch. Normally, I wear suits or business attire, but if I came in wearing slightly less casual on a non-court day, no one would bat an eye. I’m surprised so many people have such strong opinions. In the summer, sometimes heels with a peep toe, but not sandals. Are there really mid-size firms that require suits every day? I always thought that big-firms were the only ones who required that. At least I think that is true in the Midwest…
midwest-lawyer
Apr 18, 2008 12:51 PM CST
Wow ... I’m amazed at the discussion this item on clothing has generated. I honestly don’t understand why so many people are so uptight about what to wear. I’m in a small business/transaction practice in the midwest and our rule is nothing more than use common sense. If we have a board meeting or closing to handle, wear a suit. If we’re in the office all day and don’t have clients in, wear whatever’s comfortable so long as it’s not dirty or obscene. Honestly, I think we all have too much work to worry about whether our attire meets some arbitrary degree of “appropriateness” or “professionalism.” FWIW, today’s costume constitutes blue jeans, with a button down shirt and tweed blazer and a comfy pair of well-worn loafers.
Wisconsin
Apr 18, 2008 1:10 PM CST
Ms. Ssalas, a suggestion would be to google proper dress attire and peruse the various documents. Open-toed shoes are viewed as non-professional. A way to help clarify this point is to equate it with a tongue piercing…if you want to dress professionally, leave both items at home. Also, DEFINITELY no sweat pants - EVER!!!!!
Leo P. Graciano
Apr 18, 2008 1:20 PM CST
I wear denim jeans every day with athletic shoes (sneakers) and a short sleeve shirt with no tie. And, no, I am not the boss. I guess I could best be described as an associate. I’m glad I live in New Hampshire! As you guessed, I won’t go near a courtroom ! Clients pay for my time and expertise and don’t care what I wear.
R. Ralston
Apr 18, 2008 1:28 PM CST
As a corporate General Counsel, I buy millions of dollars of services from outside firms annually. My strong preference is to engage counsel who look, speak and dress like professionals. Unlike certain other consultants, attorneys work with our most senior officers and board members. Their credibility directly affects how successful I am. Yes, you can know the right answer and still not be delivering all that I expect from an attorney. Perhaps that standard should not apply if you are engaged in an area of practice where it is demeaning to others if you dress well or if the company culture is shirt sleeves 24/7. Certainly, an all paper practice without clients, or phone only, remote from an urban setting should allow great freedom as well as professional success.
NCLawyer
Apr 18, 2008 1:32 PM CST
“For women, I think it is even harder to pursue a business casual wardrobe because you don’t want to be mistaken for a secretary.”
Hear hear. I work in a business casual firm, but have decided that as a youngish looking woman I need to wear a jacket of some kind every day. I have a hard enough time getting the older ladies on the staff to do anything for me as it is.
Wearing a suit every day is easier on the brain cells, but the heels are hard on the feet when you have to go up and down stairs 20x a day. It’s also nice not to have to dry clean everything you wear, something the 50+ year old men who’ve had wives and secretaries picking up their drycleaning for the last 20+ years never take into account.
Given the judgments people make about others based on appearance, I’m never surprised at the amount of discussion this topic generates.
Chicago Law
Apr 18, 2008 1:32 PM CST
I see both sides of this. My husband is old school and wears a suit, white or blue shirt and tie everyday - no matter what is on his docket. I, have the fortune of working for a very casual firm where most of the partners wear jeans on days they are not in court. although I love not having to put on hose every morning any more, it was defnitely an adjustment and did require a new wardrobe because people kept telling me not to dress so formally (in my most casual suits). So, I’ve now taken to tailored jeans and blazers and dress pants and sweaters so that the comments stop (from all but my husband - “you can’t wear that!”)
Chicago girl
Apr 18, 2008 1:53 PM CST
Perhaps as our economy worsens, people will remember what a man who lived through the depression told me: Nothing increases a man’s perceived status as cheaply as a tie.
pd
Apr 18, 2008 1:57 PM CST
As a public defender I’m so happy not to have to obsess so much about clothing as some of the commenters above seem to. We wear suits for court appearances, and it doesn’t matter much what we wear around the office. No matter what I wear, I will be better-dressed than my clients, who wear orange jump-suits!
sr
Apr 18, 2008 2:47 PM CST
I am in solo practice in California, handling divorce cases. The vast majority of my clients are blue collar workers, young families with a couple of kids and cars and a small retirement. I have found that most of my clients appreciate when I meet with them in my casual clothing (blue jeans, nice clothing). They do not feel so threatened by the process and actually feel they can express themselves better. I do dress up in a suit, dress or skirt on days when I am going to court or meeting a client for the first time. By the way…I went to court today and am wearing a skirt, sleeveless shirt with a nice jacket and peekabo shoes (the toes show)....I guess according to some colleagues I’m simply shameless…..I think it’s stylish….and I was complimented by Court staff on my outfit. Hmmmm I like where I work.
Bill Dickey
Apr 18, 2008 2:59 PM CST
I think dress has nothing to do with competence. In fact, dressing down allows you to be more loose at work—a good thing. Rather than being stuck up, you are comfortable, and if you are comfortable, you will work better. When I used to wear a shirt and tie (and jacket), not only did I sweat more, I also wasn’t free to crawl around the floor if I dropped a pencil and the like. I say if you’re good, you don’t need to hide behind an Armani suit, and if you’re bad, an Armani suit aint gonna fix it.
dressobsessed
Apr 18, 2008 3:31 PM CST
It’s a hot subject. No doubt. I am a ‘computer person’ (and evening law student). I used to work at a fortune 500 doing tech support. My department people were notorious for looking like they just rolled out of bed (at best). We even had a couple of guys showing cracks through their buggy lowered jeans. I used to wear suits. They were the easiest thing: 5 suits, 5 colors. No worries what to wear or what day it was: if its loden, it’s Monday (and so on). I was always the one sent to take care of technology issues at the VP suite… I can swear it was the suits.
Now I work at a university. Unlike what people tend to think, its not casual-all-the-way. But after a few months at work, my secretary asked me politely if people ‘where I am from’ wear only dark colors! I was caught so much off guard with this question, the next time I watched a european film I paid close attention to the colors people on the movie were wearing. She was right. Dark, drab. Black, dark blue, brown, gray, loden. My suit line up… That was over 10 years ago. I have since loosened the style a bit, gave up white blouses completely and although I carry it to work, the suit jacket stays on the hanger, not on me. And we have our Friday polo shirts, various colors with our logo (we receive one or two every year during ‘pat your back’ events). Still, I cannot see myself wearing jeans to work. Count sneakers out too.
Yet, I hope I never have to wear hose again, or be constrained in all closed shoes.
Mark
Apr 18, 2008 3:56 PM CST
I guess, dress poorly at your own peril? Personally I wouldn’t even wear sweats to the grocery store. To work? My god!
Brian James
Apr 18, 2008 3:57 PM CST
As someone that is not an attorney but as one of three owners of a medium sized business I will tell you now, we will hire representation based on your abilities not how upscale you dress.
I would rather hire a great attorney in khakis and no tie then someone that is parading him/herself around dressed in $3000 outfits but little hope of winning my confidence in them in the right ways.
I too would rather hope my fees are not going to feed your taste for obsessively expensive cloths, or that I am not be billed extra hours simply so you can afford them. $3000 suits do not equal professional in my book, and I can easily afford a lot of those if I personally wanted. Keep in mind many of your clients likely make far more than your 100-300k/yr in income and are likely to show up dressed in a nice t-shirt and nice pair of jeans. Did no one ever tell you to not judge a book by its cover?
I guess none of you represent Steve Jobs from Apple do you? Casual and rich to say the least.
Good luck in your little fashion war going on in here.
Mark
Apr 18, 2008 3:59 PM CST
p.s. the idea that no one can judge anyone else on how they dress is absurd. Ability and type of dress are clearly the sort of things that lend themselves readily and justifiably to judgment. But more importantly, people will judge, so maybe just plan on that…
grafals
Apr 18, 2008 4:00 PM CST
I think any focus at all on a particular manner of dress is as arcane as requiring the wearing of powdered wigs. Come on, this is all driven by nothing more sophisticated than custom. What the heck is a tie anyway? Where did those instruments of torture originate? I had a boss that would have a FIT if any of the females didn’t wear panty hose. Isnt’ the bottom line that you do good work and don’t look like a slob or an idiot? I do agree that sweats and flip flops seem to go a bit far, but not because of what they are, just because they tend to look kind of dumb on most people. But, a nice looking jogging suit and tennis shoes wouldn’t detract me in a meeting with another lawyer. For gosh sakes . . . anyone been to see the doctor lately? They wear scrubs, or jogging suits. If your life depended on a doctor and he came out in sweats, would you take a pass and call for an undertaker? Judge the man/woman by the quality of their work, not by the quality of their clothes. I’m ready for society to let go of all this stupidity over clothes. (By the way, I’m in the SF Bay area where formal means long pants!) :-)
Mike
Apr 18, 2008 6:54 PM CST
I take pride in the way I dress, and always dress for success.
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