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Perfectionism, ‘Psychic Battering’ Among Reasons for Lawyer Depression

Posted Feb 18, 2009 9:40 AM CST
By Debra Cassens Weiss

The likelihood of depression is 3.6 times higher for lawyers than other employed people, and the reasons include the pressures of the job and characteristics that make lawyers good at their jobs.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer interviewed experts on lawyer depression and substance abuse for a story on a Cleveland Metropolitan Bar Association program raising awareness of lawyers' mental health issues. The story cites the figure for rates of depression and other evidence of psychological problems.

The Ohio Lawyers Assistance Program, formed to help alcoholic lawyers and judges, now finds itself dealing just as often with lawyers suffering from symptoms of depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorders and other problems, the story says. Of every five people who contact the program, two have psychological issues, one suffers from addiction, and two have both problems.

The mental health problems are reflected in lawyers’ suicide rates. A 1992 report by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health found that male lawyers had a suicide rate that was twice as high as men in general, the story says.

Experts told the newspaper about reasons for the high incidence of depression. Lawyers are taught to aim for perfection, to be aggressive and to be emotionally detached. They “intellectualize, rationalize and displace problems on others,” the newspaper explains. “They don't take direction particularly well. They tend to have fairly elaborate denial mechanisms. And they tend to challenge anything they're being told.”

Pessimistic lawyers tend to excel in their careers, but the same trait can create havoc in their personal lives, according to Martin Seligman, who directs the University of Pennsylvania Positive Psychology Center.

The Plain Dealer cites a 2002 article in the Michigan Bar Journal that highlights another problem; some lawyers, especially those in criminal and family law practices, deal with “psychic battering”—repeated exposure to bad human behavior.

Seligman advices lawyers to try “flexible optimism” in their private lives and to encourage settlements and mediation in their cases, the story says. Exercise and a good diet, outside hobbies, and nurturing relationships can also help, according to Tennessee Circuit Judge Robert Childers, chairman of the ABA's Commission on Lawyer Assistance Programs.

Hat tip to Above the Law.

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1.

attorney in Ohio
Feb 18, 2009 12:28 PM CST

Flexible optimism in the practice of law. Are you kidding? I am working in a position I hate because I am too scared to start my own practice and because I like receiving a check on Fridays. I have a 500,000 mortgage for a house appraised at 420,000, two car notes, a nanny, and four school age kids in private school. I sit on so many boards of local groups that I am losing count. I am miserable and flexible optimism isn’t an option when everyone expects and demands perfection.

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J.D.
Feb 18, 2009 2:08 PM CST

You should get rid of the nanny and put your kids in public schools. That would save some money. Plus, if you’re not already married, you should find a spouse to help with the kids.

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DR
Feb 18, 2009 2:46 PM CST

This article is about depression, not a forum for misplaced advice on how people should manage their finances.  Maybe some people are miserable because they feel so burdened by their obligations in life that they see no end point, but from my own personal experience, depression can’t be “cured” by following a financial plan.  I’m not burdened with debt and from the outside, my life seems pretty organized and peachy.  However, that doesn’t damper the thoughts of personal failure, or sadness resulting from things beyond one’s control.  I think that I experience proportionately more “personal failures” every day than say, my electrician brother, who does his work and then goes home…not agonizing over his trade during the time period that he is away from it. 

I do think, though, that if external forces are contributing to your depression, it may be helpful to take a step back and ask:  what and who do I really care about?  Then, redirect your focus.

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attorney
Feb 18, 2009 3:52 PM CST

Some people are miserable, and cry for help, like the first post.  Spending too much money is equally a problem with the minimum wage earner and the multimillion dollar earner, and everywhere in between.  Spending too much time at work or on boards or otherwise is also frequent, and not related to income or external markers of success.

In order to get into a better position, one must incrementally change one’s actions and behavior, which is not as easy as complaining about it.  It is a long slow road to analyze and choose what one lives in, drives, vacations and does for one’s children versus your practice of law.  Similarly, applying this to volunteer or paid board positions takes time, effort and commitment to screen out and cut down over time.  If pursued, one can get to a happier place, or have more financial freedom.

I do not claim it is easy, just that it is achievable.  I know that even with better effort one does not end up perfectly positioned, but flexible optimism is one way to describe the approach.  Stated otherwise, if you are miserable, then look to what needs to change and take charge of your life in changing it.  Trade money, fame and time around until you are happier with the trade offs.  Sometimes, one has to change how one keeps personal score of success to find happiness.  Please note that the author of this comment does not claim perfect achievement, just effort in the direction.  Most days, I am happy with my life, and that is good enough.

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B. McLeod
Feb 18, 2009 5:26 PM CST

I try to avoid the stress and hazards of “perfectionism” by maintaining a few faults, such as spending too much money on liquor and women, and occasionally, slipping a few spirited swear words.

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Frederick Jackson
Feb 18, 2009 7:16 PM CST

Dale Carnegie’s book “How to Stop Worrying and Start Living” can help, read it often. In particular he notes that Carl Jung observed in “Modern Man in Search of a Soul” that his patients in the second half of life (after 35) had all fallen ill because they lost a religious outlook on life and could only be healed by regaining that outlook. Word out.

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KLN
Feb 19, 2009 10:00 AM CST

I would recommend you read “The Art of Happiness” by the Dalai Lama. It will help if you are depressed.

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B. McLeod
Feb 19, 2009 12:01 PM CST

Carl Jung was right about the religious outlook thing.  Once people start to lose touch with Aphrodite and Dionysus, things go to Hades in a handbasket.

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drudge ette obama
Feb 20, 2009 5:35 AM CST

Anne Morrow Lindbergh’s a
A Gift By The Sea takes you through her journey, alone, shell-by-shell, giving serious thought to herself and her life without noise. The answer I got was to simplify, cut the frills that we think we need. I believe that the frantic feelings expressed by some of the above commentators indicate they are at the point where they should seclude and think with focused deliberation about their life.

Then, they should get back to work, after having a stiff drink or two.

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Victoria
Feb 20, 2009 6:05 AM CST

I think you people suggesting books don’t suffer from clinical depression.  I don’t, but someone I love does.  It is not rational and can’t be fixed by mere positive thinking.  Writer #4s comment is more practical.  Writer #1 needs to decide what she/he believes is important and make choices accordingly. There are always choices, we are just not always ready to choose.

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11.

Tim
Feb 20, 2009 7:12 AM CST

Seriously, these posts are depressing.

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David IP
Feb 20, 2009 7:37 AM CST

It’s interesting that this post noting ‘perfectionism’ appears in the same issue as “Burned-Out Lawyer Plans to Opt Out,” in which a lawyer who, after nearly 20 years of practice missed one statute of limitations, acknowledged his mistake, notified his malpractice carrier, but was still suspended for 30 days, and felt he had to leave the practice of law.  Apparently we are in a field that demands perfection, and has no tolerance for being human.  No wonder depression is high.

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Old Shark
Feb 20, 2009 7:37 AM CST

Therapeutic marijuana and hookers – the only option (Just Kidding)

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Steve
Feb 20, 2009 8:01 AM CST

I was feeling bad, then I read these posts and feel much better about my life and its direction; like watching The Biggest Loser when you feel fat.

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MLB
Feb 20, 2009 8:12 AM CST

Maybe if we stopped treating each other like S___ all the time, we’d feel better.

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16.

Domino
Feb 20, 2009 8:15 AM CST

Someone should tell B. McLeod that he/she is not as funny as he/she thinks.

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17.

Karen
Feb 20, 2009 8:28 AM CST

We’re all a bunch of whiners!  If we stop focusing on ourselves and focus on helping others it cures the “disease” and is a benefit to society.  Both my husband (a CPA) and I lost our jobs within a 7 months stretch.  Fortunately, we did find new jobs, though they pay SUBSTANTIALLY less.  With two kids in college, my father just diagnosed with PD, my father-in-law with Non-Hodkins Lymphoma, we could be depressed.  Try to HELP others, like Jesus, read the BIble and He’ll help you as well!

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B. McLeod
Feb 20, 2009 8:41 AM CST

That’s your theory, Domino.

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19.

alfredo sauce
Feb 20, 2009 8:44 AM CST

B. McLeod - that was too funny!

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20.

abogada
Feb 20, 2009 8:54 AM CST

B. McLeod has got it all figured out!  I am self-indulgent and I drink and swear, and it seems to keep me balanced!

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21.

No Whining
Feb 20, 2009 9:01 AM CST

Stop being a perfectionist and do enough to stay on the right side of a malpractice claim.

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Hadley V. Baxendale
Feb 20, 2009 9:06 AM CST

One thing that exacerbates the pressure for perfection is the lack of gratitude from our clients and our employers.  One human slip and we’re villified; solve the unsolvable and the typical comment is that you charged too much.  Back inthe day, our senior parnter told each of us on the miserable occasion of our frist screw-up, “The only way not to make mistakes is not to do anything.”  He expected perfection but understood it was a goal, often achievable if one was careful. 
Also, we are called upon to make snap judgments on complicated matters.  We would forgive the trial lawyer if she should have handled an objection during trial differently; our office work is now presented as if under the same time pressure.
So everyone: say thank you, be forgiving and slow down.

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JWU
Feb 20, 2009 10:10 AM CST

I agree with #10.  Positive thinking doesn’t always work with people who have clinical depression.  Also, some people are just not wired to think positive, and to have to change their way of thinking would actually make them more depressed.  A book that talks about this is:  “The Positive Power of Negative Thinking” by Julie Norem.

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Shark Food
Feb 20, 2009 10:12 AM CST

Demand perfection, but don’t pay for it.  The motto of the insurance world.

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25.

Andy the Lawyer
Feb 20, 2009 10:13 AM CST

To Old Shark (#13)—Don’t sell your advice short.  It makes more sense than any other post here.

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Shark Food
Feb 20, 2009 10:13 AM CST

Also, I think “psychic battering” as a very apt term for what goes on inside a lot of law firms.  It can actually seem beneficent sometimes.  But it’s demoralizing and stunting, hence depressing.

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HVB
Feb 20, 2009 10:21 AM CST

Shouldn’t that be “psychological battering”? The headline conjured images of telepathic Managing Partners channelling “Work more! Work more!” to the minions in the salt mines, or subliminal messages embedded in internal emails.

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Old Shark
Feb 20, 2009 10:22 AM CST

I think #17 is right.  I lost my job.  My dog died.  The bank foreclosed and I am living on the street.  The crack dealers keep roughing me up. And my wife left me for the guy at the mini-mart.

But I know that, if I embrace gratitude, all things will work out.  Harmony Now. Harmony Now.

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idy stern
Feb 20, 2009 10:23 AM CST

What a crock!  This is reverse justification for those who are predisposed to these types of problems. Most people who enter law school and the legal profession are well adjusted, informed and can manage the stress associated with practice. There does seem to be a significant number of people who enter law school who are ocd to start with….thats how they got into law school.  The finding of increased incident of anxiety and ocd related depression amongst the legal profession is no surprise.  Most of them were like that before they got “here”.  The legal profession is a highly respected community one which my husband highly endorses for those so inclined who should not give any credeance to this study.  Virtually all of the attorneys he encounters and transacts with are enjoying life to the fullest (in there bmw’s and mini mansions:) and know their only limitations is their own fear of success. 

My husband was very concerned leaving his firm to start his own practice.  The mortgage, car payments and life expenses certainly created a lot of apprehension, however his only regret is not having done it sooner.  TAKE THE PLUNGE!  he says if you have the business to start and struggle…the rest will come.

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JDirk
Feb 20, 2009 10:38 AM CST

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31.

M in Munich
Feb 20, 2009 11:19 AM CST

Hey, is “Idy Stern” Ellen Barshevsky’s married name?  Idy’s husband seems to be just as fantastic and knowledgable as Ellen’s boyfriend.

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Paul the Magyar
Feb 20, 2009 12:33 PM CST

One other thing (especially for #1):  Do not let others create expectations of you which you cannot happily fulfill.  Create your own expectations for yourself.

Oh, you took the words right out of my intended post, M in Munich.

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33.

Almost Fresh Bait
Feb 20, 2009 12:38 PM CST

Actually, I think B. McLeod IS as funny as he/she thinks.

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Bubbachops
Feb 20, 2009 10:19 PM CST

Does anyone else feel that being an attorney actually reduces conflict in their personal lives?  I have to argue so much for my job that I feel allergic to argument socially.  Recently some stranger in line at the movies was trying to debate steroid usage with me.  I just nodded and smiled, thinking, “Why would I fight with her—this woman isn’t paying me.”  Godzilla only thrashes around in Tokyo, when he gets back to his house he just sleeps and hangs out.

Yeah, and I totally agree that “psychic battering” is over the top.  Is this an ABA article or an issue of the X-men?

Oh and I love that Judge’s advice: “Exercise and a good diet, outside hobbies, and nurturing relationships can also help.”  Really?!  Is the Judge saying that bizarre fat loners have poor mental health?  Hmmm, I think a series of studies is needed.

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BM fan
Feb 20, 2009 10:51 PM CST

I love B. McLeod’s comments!  Witty puns, sometimes.  Please keep ‘em coming.

To Domino, #16:  Don’t be a hater.  Your negativity is giving me a really bad psychic battering, now I am depressed!

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toandythelawyer
Feb 21, 2009 11:04 AM CST

nice, suggesting hookers and illicit drugs as a “legitimate” way to treat depression.  no wonder many lawyers have a moral deficit.  it’s people like you who make up these statistics.

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37.

luvaofbubba
Feb 21, 2009 1:30 PM CST

BUBBACHOPS! You’re hilarious.

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38.

Bill Dugan
Feb 21, 2009 3:09 PM CST

I met a good lookng woman in a burkha on the corner of 3rd Avenue and 52nd Street Thursday.  It was going good until I asked her to go into Smith and Wollensky with me.  Talk about depressing.  She didn’t eat meat.

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Al DeRogatis
Feb 22, 2009 5:09 PM CST

Wait a minute, Mr. Dugan—if she was really wearing a burka, how could you tell she was good looking?  For all you know, she could look horrible.  My bet is that she was not wearing a burka.

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JDirk
Feb 22, 2009 11:20 PM CST

#28:

Well, at least you can read and post on this fine website. That must be comforting knowledge, no?

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41.

Survivor
Feb 23, 2009 8:04 AM CST

Though I do believe there is some truth in the article, the comments listed here are therapy in themselves.  Never laughed so hard on a Monday morning at work.

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CHF in CT
Feb 23, 2009 1:19 PM CST

Survivor, I truly concur.  This has made my week.  Now I’ll go finish preparing for my trial…

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43.

respectfully disent
Feb 24, 2009 7:11 PM CST

Some of you need to get out more.  None of these comment are particularly that funny to me.

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Douglas Eby
Feb 24, 2009 8:59 PM CST

In her article A Fresh Look at Perfectionism, which Margaret Lobenstine kindly provided for my site, she writes, “Think about money. Everyone knows that there is nothing inherently good or bad about the specific dollar bills you may be holding in your hand: it all depends on what use you make of it. Perfectionism is similar.  The issue isn’t whether or not being a perfectionist is good or bad: it’s what you decide to be perfectionist about!”

See link to article in post Being a perfectionist - is it a vice or asset?
http://talentdevelop.com/being-a-perfectionist-is-it-a-vice-or-asset/

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