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Roll Call: What Time Did You Get to Work Today?

Posted Jun 3, 2009 12:12 PM CST
By Molly McDonough

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Until this week when comments started rolling in on a story about a New York City BigLaw partner instructing lawyers to be in the office no later than 9:30 a.m., we had no idea that morning start time was such a touchy subject.

On our Facebook page, Jen Weissburg notes, "I wish I could get there at 9:30! Those of us stationed in courtrooms know that the judge wouldn't like it if you're not there when he takes the bench. If I don't get here by 7:30, nothing gets done until after court, and that's just too much time to waste."

This and other remarks made us wonder, in your neck of the woods, what the standard is for getting to the office? Are you in the office before the rooster crows? Or do you wait until the rush-hour traffic subsides before making your way in? And, does the schedule change for the summer or holiday weeks?

Tell us...

What time did you make it in to work today?

Answer in the comments below.

Read the 145-plus answers to last week's question: "If You Had a Do-Over, Would You Choose Law School?

Featured Answer:

Posted by JS: Yes, I still would, but I would have gone to a MUCH cheaper school. Anyone who is thinking about law school -- please do more homework than I did!! I had always done well academically and thought that would easily translate into a $100k+ job for me right out of school. I did not really evaluate (a) how the standing of my law school would impact my job prospects, (b) the actual monthly payments I would have on my student loans ($1200 now with the lower interest rates), and (c) the real cost of living in an urban area compared to the more rural area where I went to college. I should have done more research [and I think my law school should have volunteered more information]. I love what I do, but my ability to buy a house (even in this market) and start a family are hampered by my student loans. If I had gone to the Tier 2 state school that accepted me, I would have 1/2 the loans that I have now, even if I had paid out of state tuition (~$14k per year at state school vs. ~$28k per year at the private school I actually attended).

I like my career and I am happy with the person that I am now. But financially speaking, I made a stupid decision. For me, it would be worth a do over to not have to make those student loan payments each month.

Comments

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associate
Jun 3, 2009 12:35 PM CST

Our office almost runs in shifts.  We have the 6am arrival crowd, 8:30am is the VAST majority, and then a few late night (i.e., single) people that come in around 10am.

6am leaves around 5pm; 8:30am leaves around 7pm, and the 10am group leaves between 8 and 9.


This is all irrevelevant though since most of us get back on after dinner and work till midnight or later.

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participant
Jun 3, 2009 1:03 PM CST

before you did - which is all that matters

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Legal Lady
Jun 4, 2009 7:30 AM CST

Today, I was in at 7:30, which is a tad early for me.  Regardless, I’m in by no later than 8:30 and that’s a rather late arrival.

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In house - General Counsel
Jun 4, 2009 11:55 AM CST

7:15 am

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gary weiner
Jun 4, 2009 12:24 PM CST

our court opens for biz at 8. that’s when i get here.

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Margo Lynn
Jun 5, 2009 4:16 AM CST

I’m in-house.  Most days I am here by 7:30am, rarely after 8:00am as we have meetings that start at 8:00am.  I briefly worked at a NYC firm and could not adjust to the late start times, they thought I was mad for coming in before 9:00am.  Coming from the Midwest and South, I couldn’t imagine getting to work after 9:00am at the very, very latest.  Is it just a NYC thing to have the late starting times?

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things are looking Milhouse
Jun 5, 2009 5:04 AM CST

5:30am out by 6pm

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Flying solo
Jun 5, 2009 5:19 AM CST

I’m a solo practitioner whose office is in my home in a rural county in the midwest.  Generally I’m working by 6am and done around 6pm.

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Ruben R. Chapa
Jun 5, 2009 5:21 AM CST

I was in by 5:41 am.  You know the saying early to bed, early to rise….

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Brian
Jun 5, 2009 5:30 AM CST

I’m an early moring person and a solo.  I usually get to the office that is only 6 minutes from home t about 3:30AM and try to get out by about 2:00PM.  My clients understand that I can get 2x the work done from 3:30AM to about 8:30 than after as no phones, I do not keep e-mail open, etc. 

The key for me was an office close to home so minimal travel time, I saved more than 2 hours of travel per day when I moved.  That is 10 hours per week, more than 2 hours of additional billing time per day.

The other is taking control of my life and having a plan rather than being controled by others.  I accept only engagements I want, have not issues with firing clients but make sure I am on top of the knowledge and information game for the clients.

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Turf
Jun 5, 2009 5:31 AM CST

It’s important to adhere to a schedule that works for oneself and one’s clients.  The exact start and finish times are not relevant if one keeps to that principle.  I typically am in by 6 a.m., and don’t leave until the work is done (typically between 6 - 8 p.m.).  I try to get out early on Fridays though, in order to avoid burnout.

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Bill Douberley
Jun 5, 2009 5:31 AM CST

My secretary and I have a 40-mile commute, and so to get ahead of Miami traffic we leave at 6 and most days are in the office by 6:45 a.m. We try to do the same at the end of the day and leave by 4:30, but with laptoop under arm if there is work still to be done.

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Sarah
Jun 5, 2009 5:39 AM CST

I’m in house, and I typically arrive by 7:00. I don’t expect that of outside counsel, but I have always found the 9:30 start time of NY law firms very client unfriendly.  Most businesses are already well into their day by 9:30.

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Denise
Jun 5, 2009 5:43 AM CST

I’m “only” an intern right now, but I am in the office by 7:30 every day!

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F. Woodbridge
Jun 5, 2009 5:51 AM CST

7h15 - never later than 7h30 (avoiding rush hour, quiet intense work time before world awakes)

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J. McGowan
Jun 5, 2009 6:04 AM CST

Today, it was 7:40 am, which is a little late for me.  Typically I arrive between 7 and 7:15 am; it has been that way since 1983 when I had “first shift” with our daughter (now, 26 and out on her own).  The routine has been a good one.

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L
Jun 5, 2009 6:04 AM CST

Ten ‘til 7, which is normal unless I have an early-morning meeting outside the office.  I try to leave by 4:30, but that almost never happens - it’s usually more like 5, 5:30, 6, 6:30, or later.  I used to get in just before 8, but started coming in an hour earlier a number of years ago during a very busy period, and discovered the benefits of beating traffic and being here before the phones start to ring.

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Agnes Nutter
Jun 5, 2009 6:06 AM CST

I’m in around 7:00 am each morning.  I’m required to be in by 7:30.  The joys of life at the courthouse…
Oh, and for those of you assuming that means leaving earlier, it does not.  I usually leave around 6:30.  Last night I left at 7:45pm.

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Krista
Jun 5, 2009 6:10 AM CST

I am in the office between 7 and 7:30 most mornings. I seem to be one of the few attorneys in my area who is in that early, but I find it gives me a chance to get a “jump start” on the day ahead. (And, I find it often allows me to get out earlier as things get done MUCH faster when you are working without disruption.)

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Hon. E. Bee
Jun 5, 2009 6:13 AM CST

Today 7:45 - normally around 8.  I’m one of the early ones.  I get to see others wander in at 9:30 or later, and than try to see who can stay latest, a badge of “honor” where I work.  I come in early enough so I can go home to be with my family at a reasonable hour.  They can have the short term honors; I’ll take the long term rewards.

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Dick Brickwedde
Jun 5, 2009 6:14 AM CST

I arrived at my office by bike around 7:30 this morning although 8-8:30 is more the normal time.  I get here earlier in the summer and later in the winter.  Syracuse doesn’t have a rush hour or even a rush 15 minutes except if you take the elevator when you might have to wait 3-5 minutes.

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Hadley V. Baxendale
Jun 5, 2009 6:16 AM CST

Typically in by 9 out at 7.  20 minute commute desk to door.  One night a week I work until 11-12, instead of weekends. I’m a solo now but this is similar to work at prettybiglaw.
I’ve always enjoyed the flexibility that law practice allows, but younger lawyers need to know, illogical as it may seem, there is no substitute for physically being in the office during “business hours” and without ipod earplugs.  An ounce of image is worth a pound of production.

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John
Jun 5, 2009 6:23 AM CST

This is a rule of reason, but also a social efficiency issue. It’s silly to hauling everyone into the urban core just for face time on general principles.  But, if you want to the lawyers to socialize with the summer associates (which is essential), electronic presence is not going to get the job done.  And depends on the specific practice and geographic location - as a tax lawyer in a congested metro area, I have no need for a regular arrival time, and tell my associates I don’t care where they are a as long as they can respond.  Started work at 7:40 AM at home on VPN high speed internet connection to the office.  Expect to arrive office at 11:00, but if the traffic’s bad or the weather’s good, or I’m feeling guilty about my carbon footprint, or need to be sure to be home for dinner with the family . . .  I can work from home just as well.  I deal with lawyers (including some of my own associates) from Europe to Asia.  But my liberality on this is related to my views on the earlier question about being accessable—my blackberry is always on and I carry my laptop like a PDA.  On balance, decentralization and e-connection is probably the efficient future for symbol manipulators.  Maybe I should just move to a tax haven and work from there by internet . . .

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cleo
Jun 5, 2009 6:30 AM CST

Typically in by 8:30 at the latest.

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Yenrab
Jun 5, 2009 6:34 AM CST

By 7:45 AM:  The local Public Radio station in Syracuse has a “Sousa-Larm” at 7:45 each day, playing a John Philip Sousa march, which is a real treat to listen to either just as I park the car or just as I sit down at my desk.  That is more fun than just trying to get to work by a given time so I can read through boring legal papers.

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Greg Mattacola
Jun 5, 2009 6:44 AM CST

I’m in by 8 am most days unless I have to take the kids to school, etc.  There is a church next door to my office that has mass at 8 am and the bells ring for it.  I know that my day is on schedule when I’m at the office when the bells toll.  The bells toll again at 6 pm and that is usually a good sign for me to get home!

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Maine lawyer
Jun 5, 2009 6:46 AM CST

In house, try to get here by 8:15 to balance time at home with the kids before school and getting in before too many emails have hit.  When in private practice about the same - assistants started at 8:30 and most attorneys did the same.

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Yvette
Jun 5, 2009 6:46 AM CST

In usually between 7:30 and 8:00 am.  Leave between 9:30 and 10:00 pm.  Solo practitioner - work must get done.

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L. Orgera
Jun 5, 2009 6:47 AM CST

In by 6:30 or so, out by 5:30 or so.  For me it is the only way to have a life outside work.

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Gini
Jun 5, 2009 6:51 AM CST

my arrival time has been dependent on our boys’ school and sports schedule.  Now that our building has a work-out facility, i get to my desk by 7:30 or 7:45.  On Mondays we have 8am litigation meetings to make sure that all of our court calls are covered efficiently for the week and that the work is evenly distributed.  i try to leave the office by 6:30 or 7….sometimes it takes until 9pm.

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Tanner Pittman
Jun 5, 2009 6:52 AM CST

8-5 every day. Most days, I’m back in the office at 9 p.m. after baby goes to sleep, and I stick around until about 11. I’m a solo practitioner.

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Larry R. Baumann
Jun 5, 2009 6:56 AM CST

I arrive at the office by 7:30 A.M. daily.  At our office one other attorney is usually there about 15 minutes before me. I usually leave the office by 5:30 P.M. and would be the last or next to last one to leave.

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SCP
Jun 5, 2009 6:58 AM CST

8 am, 8:15 at the latest, usually if traffic is particularly bad.  I live in the city and work in the suburbs, rather than the other way ‘round, so I suppose the commute could be worse.

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sue
Jun 5, 2009 7:05 AM CST

8:50 today on a friday which also means its golf at 1:00.  Friday’s are half days during the summer.

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early bird
Jun 5, 2009 7:12 AM CST

I always get to work at 7:45am.  I’m supposed to be in by 8am, so I come a little early.  My hours are 8am to 5pm Monday through Thursday and 8am to 4:30am on Fridays.  And I never have to work late or work weekends at my job!  Pretty sweet

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MLS
Jun 5, 2009 7:12 AM CST

Before kids, I was always in the door no later than 7:30, usually closer to 6:30 or 7:00.  Now that I have kids and day care doesn’t open until 8:00, I arrive around 8:45, still earlier than many of my colleagues.

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InhousenearDC
Jun 5, 2009 7:13 AM CST

I arrived today at 8:30. I have a 25 mile commute, which makes for some vagaries due to traffic and weather, so I try to either get here by 8:30 or by 9:30 (not in between, because it would just mean longer in the car, without productivity). I’m also inhouse where most people don’t get in before 9, but I’m almost always here until at least 7 PM, when the rest of the office has left by 5.

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JLR
Jun 5, 2009 7:22 AM CST

European offices of a large american firm: 9:30 is early, most people come in b/wn 10:30 - 11. Leave around 8 or 9.

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Katharine L.
Jun 5, 2009 7:24 AM CST

In at 8.10, no thanks to relatively slow public transit. I’m hourly,* though, so I -could- show up any time I want to on days when I don’t have a court call. I cannot work more than 40 hours a week, so today’s only a half day. It’s one of the few (okay, the only) small perks of underemployment.

*Yes, and I’m already licensed. No, it’s not that great.

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Dawn
Jun 5, 2009 7:25 AM CST

Most people arrive between 8 and 8:30 and leave between 5:30 and 6.

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JH
Jun 5, 2009 7:25 AM CST

I think we’re going to have to get used to the idea that performance can’t be measured by when you are seen sitting at your desk.  The next generation of lawyers is going to want the flexibility to work when and where they are most comfortable, so long as they get the work done and they do it well.

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RDS
Jun 5, 2009 7:26 AM CST

I wish people would say where they work - and how that might account for the vast differences. I’m in a smaller city in Texas
I am usually in about 10 til 7. I’m usually the first one here. Some work at home and roll in about 10. Others roll in at 10 and work until 8 or 9. It makes a huge difference that people can do lots of work online and by email and cell phone when they are not physically in the office.

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JRC
Jun 5, 2009 7:32 AM CST

In by 6:15 (big city commute), out by 4:30 or 5:00 (coaching kids/ family dinner).  Rest of office is 8:30 to 5:30 or 6 or 9:15 to 7:00ish.  Love the morning-no phone, no court, no people).  11 lawyer firm, and we all are flexible—when we need to meet either with clients or on firm stuff in the evening, I stay; similarly, when we need an “early” (8:00 or 8:30) meeting, partners come in early.

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jm
Jun 5, 2009 7:33 AM CST

8:35 AM—arrived
5:30 or 6pm—estimated departure time
30-45 min lunch

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tgr
Jun 5, 2009 7:38 AM CST

Here in Ohio,most folks most places are in by 8:30 or 9 AM although there is the early shift people who arrive as early as 6:30 or 7 AM (well before I have even rolled out of bed).  And there’s generally a relationship with quitting times, i.e. the earlier you get in, the earlier you leave.  Personally, I’d rather get in at 9 AM like I did today and work a little later than have to get up earlier.  However, even to me, 9:30 AM just seems awfully late to be rolling in to work on a regular basis.  Maybe it’s the hellish commute times folks on the East coast have to deal with - I can’t imagine commuting an hour or more each way.  It generally oinly takes me about 20 minutes.

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Ranger Ron
Jun 5, 2009 7:45 AM CST

I put off getting to the office as long as possible, which gets me here about 7:45.

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TS
Jun 5, 2009 7:46 AM CST

I typically get to work as a law school clinical instructor by 6:30 a.m.  This was true when I was in private practice as well.  While this is certainly not standard among my colleagues, it is also not rare for them to arrive at this time.  A couple of my colleagues beat me to work about half the time - I guess it’s just difficult to sleep here in Idaho when the sun is up and the birds are chirping.  Of course, the fact that we have virtually no commute time makes it much easier.

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anon
Jun 5, 2009 7:47 AM CST

It’s silly to expect everyone to arrive at 9:30 if they’re dishing out assignments at 10PM, which happens sometime at my firm.  An across-the-board policy is not necessary in light of a minimum billable hour policy.  Why should they care what time you get in if you still meet your billables.  All the partners really care about is how much money they made.

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Erin
Jun 5, 2009 7:50 AM CST

Reading this thread, I have never been more glad to be a public interest lawyer.

I generally arrive between 8:30 and 9 and leave between 5 and 5:30. Usually I have time for a lunch break.  I don’t go back to work afterward, nor do I normally work on weekends. And I get everything done. The latest I’ve ever stayed in the office is about 8:30pm, and if I feel like coming in later in the morning that’s no problem although I’ll end up staying later too.

Giving up an extra 20 or 30 hours per week of my life would not be worth the extra $100,000 per year I’d make at a firm. Granted, working in public interest is no guarantee of good hours - at my previous job, I regularly worked 9:00am to 8:00pm, for less money than I make now. But even that is a light schedule compared to what my friends at big firms put up with.

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MH
Jun 5, 2009 7:52 AM CST

I work for a small, rural law firm.  The office is open from 9-5, but I usually come in at 8:00 to get a jump on the day. I’m generally on my way home between 5:00 and 5:30, though I do have evening meetings on occasion.

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